[tritium]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Would you prefer a 16 page checklist for you to tick off every tax time detailing how you want your taxes spent?

Great idea DerbyX.

Just like in the United States where each local election you can vote on some referendum or new proposed legislation.

To bad Canada has not adopted the same, but then we have yet to adopt an elected senate.

[spikereli]

yA YA people like drugs thats why there is a god damn cocaine problem in montreal... explain that your stefan you loser of a liberal.... go suck knob

[Scape]

The amount of money that needle program uses is very little and it is preventative in nature. There are other programs out there that use far more resources like Methadone Maintenance Treatment Program that have people on for years. The problem is when someone has been on drugs for decades a 6 month treatment program is ineffective. The needle program itself can not and is not designed to deal with their rehab, it is there strictly to deal with the reality of the aftermath to prevent a bad situation for one person becoming a medical epidemic for the rest of us. It's triage, since we have no ways or means in place to deal with the root cause other than wishing it away.

[Scape]

tritium tritium:

There is a big difference between just supporting a habit and/or fixing the problem.

So you are saying just keep giving out free needles to drug addicts for the next 50 years. Safe injection sites need rental space and staff, same as rehab centers.

I am saying try to fix the problem as most drug addicts are on welfare, unemployed or commit crimes to feed their habbits.

I would rather spend tax dollars are fixing the addiction, trying to get the individual back into society, working, and of course paying taxes...

That sounds like a great idea but there are no programs currently in place and the problem has to be dealt with. I should point out that a majority of the users have mental issues that have render a great deal of them limited in terms of rehab let alone gainful employment. If a homeless shelters kicks them out on a routine basis they end up on a spiral they can't get out of anyway. Shelters breed dependency and it's not just drugs they are dependent upon but it's the only thing they have ready access to. We put a lot of these people on the street when we cut back social programs in the 90's and that's the liberals doing btw.

[Schleihauf]

I watched a documentary on this a couple of nights ago and it changed my mind on the subject. I'd rather have them stoned somewhere safe than out on the streets where god only knows what they could be doing. My only complaint is that injection sites don't really discourage drug use.

[TattoodGirl]

Insite has been researched to death by top medical journals proving it works. The HIV rate in the DTES is the same as Africa, if you dont think this effects tax dollars, you are so wrong.It has cut down on the amount of overdose deaths, needles on the streets, and shooting up in businesses doorways.It costs more tax dollars to dispatch emergency response to an OD than it costs to run insite. There is professional staff on site that provide support and fast track treatment options. There is also onsite which supports detoxification.

Here is some short info....Educate yourself or better yet come on down and tour insite...even better I will personally take anyone on a tour of the DTES.

http://www.vch.ca/sis/research.htm

For those that think Insite supplies Heroin, you are wrong. A client brings thier drugs in, they get sterile water and fresh rigs. The project that supplies Heroin is called the Naomi project. Again educate yourselves.

If your child, friend or loved one was sitting in front of you and you held a clean rig, and support staff in one hand and dirty rig, HIV/AIDS, and a cold dark alley in the other...which would you offer up?

[Brenda]

Hear hear, TG, hear hear

[tritium]

O.k. Sorry to sound heartless.

You are a drug addict, either get help and enter a rehab center, otherwise you are breaking the law and if your are caught with drug paraphernalia or drugs on you, you go to jail (and get forced into rehab).

These so called "clean injection sites" are taxpayers flipping the bill and the government giving a nod saying we will turn a blind eye as a society to a problem that effects us all.

At some point I think that people should take responsibility for their own actions. You catch AIDS/HIV because your reckless behavior, well tough luck. You should not be doing drugs in the first place.

I think Canada should institute much strong penalties from drug traffickers or those involved in the drug trade.

This Liberal free for all on drug paraphernalia needs to be killed.

[Brenda]

How narrow minded again... You should not be born with a birth deficit too, yet, you are, then what? We should only help the healthy?

I rather have clean injection sites in my community, then an addict in my back alley...

[Brenda]

hey, it is her fault she married him, so... too bad so sad

[/sarcasm]

[TattoodGirl]

tritium tritium:

O.k. Sorry to sound heartless.

You are a drug addict, either get help and enter a rehab center, otherwise you are breaking the law and if your are caught with drug paraphernalia or drugs on you, you go to jail (and get forced into rehab).

These so called "clean injection sites" are taxpayers flipping the bill and the government giving a nod saying we will turn a blind eye as a society to a problem that effects us all.

At some point I think that people should take responsibility for their own actions. You catch AIDS/HIV because your reckless behavior, well tough luck. You should not be doing drugs in the first place.

I think Canada should institute much strong penalties from drug traffickers or those involved in the drug trade.

This Liberal free for all on drug paraphernalia needs to be killed.

It costs more to put someone in prison...more taxpayers dollars and more drugs...you actually think people stay clean and sober in prison?

There is so much more to addiction and issues in this area, then i think you can possibly understand nor care to. Have you even read the research?

In the DTES, Johns come down from suburbia, with car seats in the back of vehicles. They pick up the working girls and guys, go bareback most of the time...what do you think they take home to thier families?

If you dont think HIV/AIDS costs more in the long run then prevention, then it proves how educated you are.

You cant dismiss what the most researched project in Canadian history proves. Again get educated.

I pray you never have a friend, family member have an addiction...that includes the most overused substance...Alcohol. I would hate to see someone have to turn to you for help

As for saying Canada should be more like the US in this area...well that just proves your IQ level...get in touch with reality...the War on Drugs doesnt work

[tritium]

lily lily:

So... if a guy goes downtown and catches AIDS/HIV/any other STD, too bad so sad, he should think about his reckless behavious in the future, right?

Now what about his wife?

Duuuh!! FFS! No maybe he should think about is actions before hand. Ya think.

What happen to being Law abiding, doing the right thing in the first place.

Look Lily, maybe I don't have the same insight as some of the other members on this forum... I never have taken or experimented with illegal drugs in my entire life, never smoked either..

Sure a few beer here and there, my only addiction is Pepsi, about 6 to 8 cans a day..

[tritium]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

It costs more to put someone in prison...more taxpayers dollars and more drugs...you actually think people stay clean and sober in prison?

Humm I said forced rehab not prison for the addicted. Prision for the people selling or pushing the drugs.

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

There is so much more to addiction and issues in this area, then i think you can possibly understand nor care to. Have you even read the research?

In the DTES, Johns come down from suburbia, with car seats in the back of vehicles. They pick up the working girls and guys, go bareback most of the time...what do you think they take home to thier families?

If you dont think HIV/AIDS costs more in the long run then prevention, then it proves how educated you are.

You cant dismiss what the most researched project in Canadian history proves. Again get educated.

So now we are growing from Drug addictions to hookers and booz. HIV/AIDS can be cought may differnt ways, but we are talking about drug addictions, not hookers and drunks who bed the easy bar whore.

So now we need to give out free condoms in area where there are prositutes.

Let's just legalize drugs, prositution, whatever because we are surly not condoning it as a society when taxpayers are paying for the utensils to commit the crime.

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

I pray you never have a friend, family member have an addiction...that includes the most overused substance...Alcohol. I would hate to see someone have to turn to you for help

As for saying Canada should be more like the US in this area...well that just proves your IQ level...get in touch with reality...the War on Drugs doesnt work

What are you a Hippie or what TG.

[tritium]

lily lily:

Yeah, same with me... minus the Pepsi.

I wasn't talking about the man though, tritium. I was talking about his wife.

I would feel terrible for his wife.

People make bad choices every day, where drugs are not involved and bring diseases back to their spouse. All I am saying is that people need to take responsible for their own actions and the government should not be supporting illegal behaviour.

I don't have a solution to that, other than you better find a partner you can trust and who is your best friend.

True Love is Friendship on Fire.

[Brenda]

You are saying Canada doesn't give out condoms in the "red light districts"?