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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:41 pm
 


dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
Maybe we should set up blockades on May 28th to keep the Mohawks on their reserves.


awesome idea.. :)


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Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
ok...all you people really really REALLY need to read a book on First Nations issues, then you will see how HORRIBLY wrong you are, and that all your eurocentric bitching just perpetuates the ignorance and hate that the First Nations have been dealing with for centuries.

there is this issue in Canadian law called duty to consult and accomodate.
Supreme Court Case after case has recognized this right, but it is NEVER practiced and thus the reason for the blocades.

you people have to look deeper into these issues, the first thing that pops into your ignorant RACIST f*cking heads is 'oh these gas sniffing, ciggarette smuggling alcoholics just want more money'

The First Nations are fighing for issues GUARINTEED TO THEM IN TREATIES, Treaty rights of the First Nations were ENTRENCHED IN OUR CONSTITUTION S.35!!!! but the government STILL doesn't recognize or affirm what THEY ARE UNDER OATH TO!!!

I hear you ignorant f*cks throw around the rule of law when you are disgussing sanctions placed or not placed on the protestors....I laugh at that almost as hard as when I read a Supreme Court Judge refer to a lesser judge as 'my learned collegue' right before he tears that 'learned' judge's verdict appart. Let me spell this out for you...The rule of law is a f*cking fairy tail! Look at all the shit the higher ups are getting away with, embezelment, drug use, insider trading and shit we couldn't begin to imagine. Rule of law hahaha what a f-ing farce. it's like communism...looks real good on paper...but add people into the mix and it becomes just another arm of oppression and corruption.

here, I'll give you ignorant f*cks some words to wikipedia:

Treaty
Feduciary rights
R v. Sparrow
Aboriginal Title - R v. delgamuukw
RCAP (Royal Commission on Aboriginal People)
GENOCIDE!!!!

ah and a good website that will show you why the Aboriginals might be a little ticked at us hiddenfromhistory.org

read that and you will but SCRATCH THE SURFACE of the horrible state of affairs we are in with the First Nations People.


Don't lump me in with the rascists, I have no bitch with natives, they need to do what they figure will get them somewhere. Dealing with the conservatives is gonna be real tough for them, and if they ever get a majority, I think you will see some real bad shit goin down - maybe even armed insurrection.


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I loled at "armed insurrection". Once again, they would get CRUSHED, and the Mohawk "rebels" would be instantly wiped off the face of the country. That was entertaining.


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Dj i didn't 'lump' you in with the racists....that is up to you with the comments you make...

also something that i forgot to give to you unenlightened to wikipedia:

Six Nations Constitution

in that you'll find that the Constitution of the United States of America was mirrored after the Six Nations Constitution - imagine that, bunch of savage good for nothing Indians provided the gound work for the democratic society we and the Americans enjoy....pop any brain cells yet?


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And it found influence from the Brits and Greeks too, what the fuck is your point?


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And it found influence from the Brits and Greeks too, what the fuck is your point?


what do you think my point is!?!?

the very people who you are all calling drunks and burdens of the Crown are the very people who helped shape our current system of governmnet...have you wikipediaed those words yet....they'll help you get out of your ignorant eurocentric mindset..


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what they were then and what they are now, are two different things all together.


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Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
commanderkai commanderkai:
And it found influence from the Brits and Greeks too, what the fuck is your point?


what do you think my point is!?!?

the very people who you are all calling drunks and burdens of the Crown are the very people who helped shape our current system of governmnet...have you wikipediaed those words yet....they'll help you get out of your ignorant eurocentric mindset..


Right...like I give two shits. Alot of people have helped shape the current system of government. Yet today they're a bunch of whiney fucks who bitch about anything, like $8 billion. If they actually still held some self respect and didn't blame the white man for all of their damn problems. THEN I'd have some respect

I have no respect for a people who leech off the government's tit, even if we did fuck them over. I can show you Italians and Irish and Chinese who got fucked over yet they don't bitch about it, except for MAYBE a formal apology.

You hate Christianity, calling all who believe "Ignorant fucks" if that's your correct quotation, yet Christianity has had a much more importance in shaping Canada, the US, and the rest of the Western World.


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Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
you people have to look deeper into these issues, the first thing that pops into your ignorant RACIST f*cking heads is 'oh these gas sniffing, ciggarette smuggling alcoholics just want more money'
No one said anything about gas sniffing or alcohol, and cigarette smuggling was rampant on that reserve. Who are you calling ignorant?


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Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
you people have to look deeper into these issues, the first thing that pops into your ignorant RACIST f*cking heads is 'oh these gas sniffing, ciggarette smuggling alcoholics just want more money'
No one said anything about gas sniffing or alcohol, and cigarette smuggling was rampant on that reserve. Who are you calling ignorant?


it doesn't have to be said - although it has been said on other threads, it's constantly implied as the general racist mindset of the ignorant.


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Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
RUEZ RUEZ:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
you people have to look deeper into these issues, the first thing that pops into your ignorant RACIST f*cking heads is 'oh these gas sniffing, ciggarette smuggling alcoholics just want more money'
No one said anything about gas sniffing or alcohol, and cigarette smuggling was rampant on that reserve. Who are you calling ignorant?


it doesn't have to be said - although it has been said on other threads, it's constantly implied as the general racist mindset of the ignorant.
I think if you're going to call someone ignorant and racist you should back it up with some actual statements rather than an implied mindset.


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commanderkai commanderkai:
Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
commanderkai commanderkai:
And it found influence from the Brits and Greeks too, what the fuck is your point?


what do you think my point is!?!?

the very people who you are all calling drunks and burdens of the Crown are the very people who helped shape our current system of governmnet...have you wikipediaed those words yet....they'll help you get out of your ignorant eurocentric mindset..


Right...like I give two shits. Alot of people have helped shape the current system of government. Yet today they're a bunch of whiney fucks who bitch about anything, like $8 billion. If they actually still held some self respect and didn't blame the white man for all of their damn problems. THEN I'd have some respect

I have no respect for a people who leech off the government's tit, even if we did fuck them over. I can show you Italians and Irish and Chinese who got fucked over yet they don't bitch about it, except for MAYBE a formal apology.

You hate Christianity, calling all who believe "Ignorant fucks" if that's your correct quotation, yet Christianity has had a much more importance in shaping Canada, the US, and the rest of the Western World.


aaahhhh you are so, so, so, horribly miss informed it is sadly comical

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Right...like I give two shits.


that really says it all right there, including your ability to accept and process information that will help you understand the real shit storm WE have put the First Nations in.

$1:
If they actually still held some self respect and didn't blame the white man for all of their damn problems. THEN I'd have some respect


aaahhhh my poor sad sad uninformed friend, it's call the Indian Act you poor boy, a white mans invention that can almost singally account for all of the oppression and hardships that the First Nations have had to endure.

I will give example - I hope it has some kind of impact:

Before ammendments to the Indian Act...in 1983 (or there abouts), when a FN woman married a non FN man, she...and her subsiquent children lost their status.
But, when a FN man married a non FN woman, that woman gained FN status under the Indian Act. therefore the FN woman looses her right to stay on a reserve, where the non-FN woman gains the right to live on the reserve.
now this seems innocent right? big deal the FN woman looses her status and the non FN woman gets status, wooptedoo right?
now i'm gunna get you to think abit now....scary i know but bare with me...who has the most impact on a child growing up? the mother right? yes i know there are some exceptions, but the vast majority it is their mother. Now how is a white woman (non FN) going to teach that child about his/her heritage? tell the legends and the history of that Band, that People? certainly not the white woman.
Bam loss of culture due to improper upbringing at the hands of a non-FN person.
ok, you may see this as a weak argument, sure it can be countered fairly easily....it takes a village to raise a child yadda yadda, i will counter any argument with the REAL and horribly diabolical reason behind it....the government was trying to BREAD the First Nation out of the people, and they did a tragically good job at it, as one Band in Ontario has already given birth to the last in their blood line, a blood line that will be wiped out in 50 years or so.

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You hate Christianity, calling all who believe "Ignorant fucks" if that's your correct quotation


no, that's not my quotation, but i wouldn't expect you to get that right. although you are in the ball park at least - i believe anything devine that has been touched by human hands (the church) is tainted, and the capicty for evil is multiplied expidentially when done 'in the name of God'.
you haven't visited hiddenfromhistory.org yet have you?
i will give you a list of just BC:

Mass Graves at former Indian Residential Schools and Hospitals across Canada

A. British Columbia

1. Port Alberni: Presbyterian-United Church school (1895-1973), now occupied by the Nuu-Chah-Nulth Tribal Council (NTC) office, Kitskuksis Road . Grave site is a series of sinkhole rows in hills 100 metres due west of the NTC building, in thick foliage, past an unused water pipeline. Children also interred at Tseshaht reserve cemetery, and in wooded gully east of Catholic cemetery on River Road .



2. Alert Bay : St. Michael’s Anglican school (1878-1975), situated on Cormorant Island offshore from Port McNeill. Presently building is used by Namgis First Nation. Site is an overgrown field adjacent to the building, and also under the foundations of the present new building, constructed during the 1960’s. Skeletons seen “between the walls”.

3. Kuper Island: Catholic school (1890-1975), offshore from Chemainus. Land occupied by Penelakut Band. Former building is destroyed except for a staircase. Two grave sites: one immediately south of the former building, in a field containing a conventional cemetery; another at the west shoreline in a lagoon near the main dock.

4. Nanaimo Indian Hospital: Indian Affairs and United Church experimental facility (1942-1970) on Department of National Defense land. Buildings now destroyed. Grave sites are immediately east of former buildings on Fifth avenue , adjacent to and south of Malaspina College .

5. Mission: St. Mary’s Catholic school (1861-1984), adjacent to and north of Lougheed Highway and Fraser River Heritage Park . Original school buildings are destroyed, but many foundations are visible on the grounds of the Park.

In this area there are two grave sites: a) immediately adjacent to former girls’ dormitory and present cemetery for priests, and a larger mass grave in an artificial earthen mound, north of the cemetery among overgrown foliage and blackberry bushes, and b) east of the old school grounds, on the hilly slopes next to the field leading to the newer school building which is presently used by the Sto:lo First Nation. Hill site is 150 metres west of building.

6. North Vancouver: Squamish (1898-1959) and Sechelt (1912-1975) Catholic schools, buildings destroyed. Graves of children who died in these schools interred in the Squamish Band Cemetery , North Vancouver .

7. Sardis: Coqualeetza Methodist-United Church school (1889-1940), then experimental hospital run by federal government (1940-1969). Native burial site next to Sto:lo reserve and Little Mountain school, also possibly adjacent to former school-hospital building.

8. Cranbrook: St. Eugene Catholic school (1898-1970), recently converted into a tourist “resort” with federal funding, resulting in the covering-over of a mass burial site by a golf course in front of the building. Numerous grave sites are around and under this golf course.

9. Williams Lake : Catholic school (1890-1981), buildings destroyed but foundations intact, five miles south of city. Grave sites reported north of school grounds and under foundations of tunnel-like structure.

10. Meares Island (Tofino): Kakawis-Christie Catholic school (1898-1974). Buildings incorporated into Kakawis Healing Centre. Body storage room reported in basement, adjacent to burial grounds south of school.


11. Kamloops : Catholic school (1890-1978). Buildings intact. Mass grave south of school, adjacent to and amidst orchard. Numerous burials witnessed there.

12. Lytton: St. George’s Anglican school (1901-1979). Graves of students flogged to death, and others, reported under floorboards and next to playground.

13. Fraser Lake : Lejac Catholic school (1910-1976), buildings destroyed. Graves reported under old foundations and between the walls.

visit the site, watch the documentary, then hopefully, you'll see just one of the HUNDREDS of reasons why all these Natives are 'wining all the time'.

I want to touch on the matter of compensation for a second. Recently the government put together a package to conpensate the victums of residential school abuse. I have the article, but can't get to it on this computer, I'll post it later if i remember. anyway the government laid out different amounts of compensation for different abuses, rape for example (real figures on article) $10,000 compensation, other form of sexual assault $5,000 and on and on. the government is essentually saying, standing there with their clipboard and pen....'ok, you were raped...well here's your cheque...next...oohhh you were only beaten to a pulp for the 12 years you were forciably confined in the 'school' well that's um, 2,000, ok here's your cheque off you go......next....aaahhh only mild fondeling eh, well that's 1,000, ok, off you go. THEY ARE PUTTING A FUCKING PRICE ON ABUSE!!
If this doesn't move you, YOU ARE IN SERIOUS NEED OF A HUMANITY CHECK!

all this, everything i wrote and took off the website is ONE WATER MOLECULEIN A SEA OF ONGOING GENOCIDE AND OPPRESSION.

us whites have TO WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize what the government, our government, has done and is doing to these People.


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Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:
you people have to look deeper into these issues, the first thing that pops into your ignorant RACIST f*cking heads is 'oh these gas sniffing, ciggarette smuggling alcoholics just want more money'
No one said anything about gas sniffing or alcohol, and cigarette smuggling was rampant on that reserve. Who are you calling ignorant?


it doesn't have to be said - although it has been said on other threads, it's constantly implied as the general racist mindset of the ignorant.
I think if you're going to call someone ignorant and racist you should back it up with some actual statements rather than an implied mindset.


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a bunch of pathetic cigarette-smuggling mafiosi


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circle the wagons


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they're quite a bit softer and depend on the Feds for money. Cut off their pay and see how long they hold out.


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Maybe we should set up blockades on May 28th to keep the Mohawks on their reserves


and that's just THIS post, if you want more, look up the thread
"Question. Why is native culture so much more important than"

more ignorance and racism than you can shake the Pope's tethered alterboy at.

the mindset is not what is implied, the comments are. the ignorant, racist mindset that is held by most people who decide to wade into the First Nations debate is unfortunately strong and in a constant state of advancement...


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Well, having taught on and lived next to a reserve, many of the generalizations people make are because of the high rates of substance abuse, crime and general apathy that exists on them. The native community/reserve that I worked on had a population of approximately 1800 - 2000 people, yet there wasn't one person trained as a small motor mechanic, electrician, plumber, carpenter or any other skilled tradesperson. If anything required building or fixing, skilled tradesmen had to be flown in from Winnipeg or Thompson...No Ziggy, they drove to Thompson and then flew in. On weekends there were times that I ended up working 20+ hour shifts in the RCMP holding cells because none of the people on the list from the reservation would come in or were sober enough to. This was the same case with the volunteer firefighting.
Now I'm not stating this involves most or all of the native population but there does seem to be a high proportion of individuals who fit the stereoptype, and stereotypes are based on observations.


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