[grainfedprairieboy]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

An many recently moved to alberta worker would probably support separtion, too. These people left their homes to find work, I think many would leave their country if their country threatens to take that work away from them.

And it's not just a matter of a losing a job. It's your savings, your investments, your home...everything you've worked for for 20, 30 or 40 years.

The effects and magnitude of NEP 1 were a total surprise. There can not, there must not, there will not be a repeat.

[westmanguy]

NEP II will never happen anyways.

The Liberals aren't stupid...they realize implementing anything like NEP II in the future would create a massive Alberta Separation movement.

[Wally_Sconce]

The Liberals are still smug enough and arrogant enough to try and gouge us. It's just a matter of time.

[sasquatch2]

I detect a subtle trend for DION and the LIBRANOs to diengage from their commitment to a rapidly unravelling political agenda. Bali was their highwater mark.

LIBRANOs are Canada's most adept (and corrupt) politicians and know when to jump ship.

[ziggy]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

The Liberals are still smug enough and arrogant enough to try and gouge us. It's just a matter of time.

No kidding!It's allmost like the Libs are stirring the pot to get the seperation thing in Alberta going again and unite the ROC against us in their futile effort to regain power in Ottawa.

What a crock of bull!
I would like to see Canada stay together but lip service from Dion like this just makes me ask how fast the seperation movement will accelerate here now.

Dion says

$1:

Dion told a forum for emerging environmental leaders Friday morning that it's the government's job to manage the economy and environment responsibly.

The Liberal leader acknowledged that the concept of pricing carbon is still a work in progress for his party and the end result could be either a cap-and-trade system or a tax.

Man,the libs are in bad shape if they have to follow on BC's coat-tails with the carbon tax.

I want all you Albertans to think about this for a sec and then answer if you think this is just a plot to ally the ROC against Alberta and it's wealth.

[mtbr]

Vote liberal .....free Alberta

[ziggy]

I have a really good idea,Alberta declares one month a year as a provincial holiday,(money isnt an issue as most of us still have our uncashed ralph-buck cheques)and everything shuts down for the month,all refineries,plants,infrastructure,shut her all down.This would be cheaper than fighting a carbon tax and also let the rest of our fine country realize just how much they rely on energy from Alberta.

[Wally_Sconce]

ziggy, there's more truth to what you suggest than most liberals want to admit.

[ziggy]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

ziggy, there's more truth to what you suggest than most liberals want to admit.

Well I hate to use the word "conspiracy" but it come's to mind. Seems like the Liberal party wants us to seperate more then we do.

Or am I seeing this wrong?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Be it the NEP or a Carbon tax it all comes down to the same thing. A redistribution wealth from west to east in an effort to appease eastern voters. The Liberals don’t care what Alberta thinks, all they know is that between Ontario and Quebec there are 201 seats too be won which can give them back what they feel is their rightful place in government.

I don’t think this is a deliberate attempt on Dion’s part to encourage a separatist movement in Alberta. For that he would have to actually have to know what Albertans believe in and how they feel about such issues. He could care less just like any other Liberal government before him. So long as he can win seats in the east it doesn’t matter what we think.

[DerbyX]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Be it the NEP or a Carbon tax it all comes down to the same thing. A redistribution wealth from west to east in an effort to appease eastern voters. The Liberals don’t care what Alberta thinks, all they know is that between Ontario and Quebec there are 201 seats too be won which can give them back what they feel is their rightful place in government.

I don’t think this is a deliberate attempt on Dion’s part to encourage a separatist movement in Alberta. For that he would have to actually have to know what Albertans believe in and how they feel about such issues. He could care less just like any other Liberal government before him. So long as he can win seats in the east it doesn’t matter what we think.

The problem is that they do care but every time its thrown in their face. Chretien and Martin made the effort with deputy PMs from Alberta.

Lets face it. There is virtually nothing the Liberals can do to get much support in Alberta.

You have to go back to 1942 to even find a time when the Liberals tied a conservative party for seats and they dominated every election after that. This was over 30 years before the NEP and Chretien and MArtin tried nothning like that yet were hated there anyway.

Alberta has always taken the position that any vote other then a conservative party vote is a direct slap in their face despite the Chretien Liberals doing everything fiscally that they wanted.

Personally when assholes say things like "free Alberta -- vote Liberal", I say "good riddance".

All the animosity they say Ottawa has for them is either imagined or something they brought upon themselves.

[mtbr]

DerbyX DerbyX:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Be it the NEP or a Carbon tax it all comes down to the same thing. A redistribution wealth from west to east in an effort to appease eastern voters. The Liberals don’t care what Alberta thinks, all they know is that between Ontario and Quebec there are 201 seats too be won which can give them back what they feel is their rightful place in government.

I don’t think this is a deliberate attempt on Dion’s part to encourage a separatist movement in Alberta. For that he would have to actually have to know what Albertans believe in and how they feel about such issues. He could care less just like any other Liberal government before him. So long as he can win seats in the east it doesn’t matter what we think.

The problem is that they do care but every time its thrown in their face. Chretien and Martin made the effort with deputy PMs from Alberta.

Lets face it. There is virtually nothing the Liberals can do to get much support in Alberta.

You have to go back to 1942 to even find a time when the Liberals tied a conservative party for seats and they dominated every election after that. This was over 30 years before the NEP and Chretien and MArtin tried nothning like that yet were hated there anyway.

Alberta has always taken the position that any vote other then a conservative party vote is a direct slap in their face despite the Chretien Liberals doing everything fiscally that they wanted.

Personally when assholes say things like "free Alberta -- vote Liberal", I say "good riddance".

All the animosity they say Ottawa has for them is either imagined or something they brought upon themselves.

Thanks for your vote!

[DerbyX]

mtbr mtbr:

DerbyX DerbyX:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Be it the NEP or a Carbon tax it all comes down to the same thing. A redistribution wealth from west to east in an effort to appease eastern voters. The Liberals don’t care what Alberta thinks, all they know is that between Ontario and Quebec there are 201 seats too be won which can give them back what they feel is their rightful place in government.

I don’t think this is a deliberate attempt on Dion’s part to encourage a separatist movement in Alberta. For that he would have to actually have to know what Albertans believe in and how they feel about such issues. He could care less just like any other Liberal government before him. So long as he can win seats in the east it doesn’t matter what we think.

The problem is that they do care but every time its thrown in their face. Chretien and Martin made the effort with deputy PMs from Alberta.

Lets face it. There is virtually nothing the Liberals can do to get much support in Alberta.

You have to go back to 1942 to even find a time when the Liberals tied a conservative party for seats and they dominated every election after that. This was over 30 years before the NEP and Chretien and MArtin tried nothning like that yet were hated there anyway.

Alberta has always taken the position that any vote other then a conservative party vote is a direct slap in their face despite the Chretien Liberals doing everything fiscally that they wanted.

Personally when assholes say things like "free Alberta -- vote Liberal", I say "good riddance".

All the animosity they say Ottawa has for them is either imagined or something they brought upon themselves.

Thanks for your vote!

You're welcome.

[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Be it the NEP or a Carbon tax it all comes down to the same thing. A redistribution wealth from west to east in an effort to appease eastern voters. The Liberals don’t care what Alberta thinks, all they know is that between Ontario and Quebec there are 201 seats too be won which can give them back what they feel is their rightful place in government.

I don’t think this is a deliberate attempt on Dion’s part to encourage a separatist movement in Alberta. For that he would have to actually have to know what Albertans believe in and how they feel about such issues. He could care less just like any other Liberal government before him. So long as he can win seats in the east it doesn’t matter what we think.

The problem is that they do care but every time its thrown in their face. Chretien and Martin made the effort with deputy PMs from Alberta.

Lets face it. There is virtually nothing the Liberals can do to get much support in Alberta.

You have to go back to 1942 to even find a time when the Liberals tied a conservative party for seats and they dominated every election after that. This was over 30 years before the NEP and Chretien and MArtin tried nothning like that yet were hated there anyway.

Alberta has always taken the position that any vote other then a conservative party vote is a direct slap in their face despite the Chretien Liberals doing everything fiscally that they wanted.

Personally when assholes say things like "free Alberta -- vote Liberal", I say "good riddance".

All the animosity they say Ottawa has for them is either imagined or something they brought upon themselves.

When Liberals start yip yappin about carbon emissions and how they are going to impose either a tax or carbon cap and trade system on Alberta’s industry but conveniently leave out Ontario’s manufacturing and power generation industries out of the equation how do you think we are going to view that?

I can’t remember exactly what it was but I do remember Chretien slipping up a few times in regards to Alberta, either it was something he said or he gave us the finger or some thing along those lines, maybe some else he can help me out there. Regardless with the memories of PET still fresh action like that by any sitting Prime Minister are pretty much guarantied not to go over to well and Chretien should have been sensitive to that fact and put his personal feelings aside. The Liberals were gaining some ground here for a while but then actions such as that and the talks of Kyoto pretty much quashed their chances of winning back any favor in this province.

[dino_bobba_renno]

I know this is way off topic but I just had to share it