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					Wada
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:25 am				  
				 The death penalty is old Hebrew law , "an eye for an eye" and we have had ample number of years to show it's ineffectiveness in preventing crime.   |  
		
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:29 am				  
				 Wada Wada: The death penalty is old Hebrew law , "an eye for an eye" and we have had ample number of years to show it's ineffectiveness in preventing crime.  The death penalty prevents recidivism , not crime. In those countries where the application of the penalty is not a joke, it does deter crime. But in the USA (for instance), people on death row are statistically more likely to die of old age than a lethal injection, thus it is ineffective as a deterrent or as a tool to reduce recidivism. |  
		
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					ryan29
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:31 am				  
				 all the opposition is doing is complaining to make a point or complaining just for the sake of it .
 mean why are they upset that canada is appealing this sentence in saudi arabia ? it does not make any sense at all for the liberals to be upset over this . isn't this what they wanted in the first place ?
 
 the liberals just don't make any sense somedays .
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:34 am				  
				 ryan29 ryan29: the liberals just don't make any sense somedays . Those days being Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.  |  
		
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:36 am				  
				 It always amazes me how the Left defends the rights of murderers, and goes so far to go to bat for them.
 Everyone knows that Montana guy is guilty as heck, and we see the Left swinging to bat for him? WTF!
 
 The U.S. has a very good system, that goes through many channels, and takes DECADES before the death penalty is ever carried out.
 
 And yes, Mulroney had a vote on the death penalty in Parliament during the 80s...unfortunately the Quebec faction of the PC stopped it, but it was fully constitutional.
 
 If just can't be undue torture...it would have to be via lethal injection.
 
 Hopefully someday the death penalty is re-enacted in this country.
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					Wada
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:38 am				  
				 BartSimpson BartSimpson: Wada Wada: The death penalty is old Hebrew law , "an eye for an eye" and we have had ample number of years to show it's ineffectiveness in preventing crime.  The death penalty prevents recidivism , not crime. In those countries where the application of the penalty is not a joke, it does deter crime. But in the USA (for instance), people on death row are statistically more likely to die of old age than a lethal injection, thus it is ineffective as a deterrent or as a tool to reduce recidivism.Is that supposed to be a joke?   |  
		
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:26 am				  
				 BartSimpson BartSimpson: WBenson WBenson: I wish the government would try to stop it, but I want the government to try to stop state-sponsored slaughter worldwide, whether or not Canadian citizens are involved. The death penalty is not "state sponsored slaughter" when it is applied as the result of due process in which the defendant is allowed to make the case for their defence.Due process and the right to defend yourself is no guarantee  against wrongfull conviction. |  
		
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:54 am				  
				 Wada Wada: The death penalty is old Hebrew law , "an eye for an eye" and we have had ample number of years to show it's ineffectiveness in preventing crime.  An eye for and Eye and soon the world goes blind...
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:58 am				  
				 westmanguy westmanguy: It always amazes me how the Left defends the rights of murderers, and goes so far to go to bat for them.
 Everyone knows that Montana guy is guilty as heck, and we see the Left swinging to bat for him? WTF!
 
 The U.S. has a very good system, that goes through many channels, and takes DECADES before the death penalty is ever carried out.
 
 And yes, Mulroney had a vote on the death penalty in Parliament during the 80s...unfortunately the Quebec faction of the PC stopped it, but it was fully constitutional.
 
 If just can't be undue torture...it would have to be via lethal injection.
 
 Hopefully someday the death penalty is re-enacted in this country.
 And I sincerely hope not.  
 Lethal injection is torture as well. |  
		
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					Normalguy
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:43 pm				  
				 WBenson WBenson: Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: There is nothing in our system that prohibits Canada from supporting capital punishment in the future. Supporting it, no, but the SCC has ruled that actually having it or doing just about anything to someone in Canada that would make them subject to it in another country is unconstitutional. I don't think the Constitution has any legal application for people currently outside of Canada, though. I wish the government would try to stop it, but I want the government to try to stop state-sponsored slaughter worldwide, whether or not Canadian citizens are involved.I think we'd have trouble selling our brand of socialism anywhere but here... |  
		
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					Knoss
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:05 pm				  
				 woudn't a brwal death be an accident? |  
		
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:08 pm				  
				 If my memory serves me correctly, wasn't this the guy who "confessed" to the killing inorder to see how it would feel and then had the gall to actually request to be executed at his trial? 
 So when the state of Montana grants him his wish, he has a change of heart and wants to have the Canadian Government save his sorry little ass.
 
 Too freakin bad. Execute him. He's had alot more time on earth and alot more chances at freedom than his victims did.
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					Normalguy
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:09 pm				  
				 AMEN...."However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results." 
Winston Churchill
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:10 pm				  
				 lily lily: How about we put them in a truck and hook up a hose to the tail pipe?
 I've heard that's compassionate.
 
 I probably shouldn't have said that though.
 That would probably not have happened if there had been ANY laws in place to deal with the issue of people who are terminally ill. Instead, people who wish to die or anyone who believes that anyone under their care will only suffer more as they grow older are forced to take matters into their own hands. |  
		
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					 Posted:  Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:15 pm				  
				 This guy committed acts of murder in another country. If it were any other case, we would say "You broke the laws of that country, now you face their punishment for doing so." I'm not pro-death penalty, but if I were dumb enough to commit a crime punishable by death in a country where the death penalty exists, I would expect to be made to follow through with it. |  
	
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