[DerbyX]

Its getting rather tiresome trying to talk to somebody who doesn't understand basic facts.

1) The Liberal position was always to be in afghanistan but to actually hand over responsibility to the afghan people in 2009 and tell them they had better cut the mustard because in 2011 your country is yours.

I understand that responsibility isn't a concept shown by you and your beliefs.

2) Its so pathetic and sad to hear you bitch and complain that people are politicizing the war then when a compromise is reached you do everything in your power to make damn certain its only the CPC that receives credit thus proving beyond a shadow of a doubt my original assertion that you in no way supported the Liberals on the mission.

Finally we see the two top parties cooperate and what do you do?

You piss and moan that its really just a CPC solution (of a John Manley Liberal reccomendation (your belief)).

Who is playing the very political games you kicked and cried about? At a time when at least some solution over Afghanistan is being reached you make every effort to try and give all credit to your party exactly as I said you did.

You can piss and moan all you want about the BS reasons we invaded being humanitarian but just like the US misbelief they would be greeted as liberators so to did we expect that a people oppressed would somehow take charge of their country and instead what do they do.

They make absolutely certain to spend all their energies (those not involved in running the opium trade Canada is now complicent in) are spent mamking certain their religion remains front and centre thus ensuring a vicious cycle.

3) No matter what you say, no matter how much you kick and scream, no matter how hard you pound your keyboard you cannot escape some black letter facts:

a) Canada did not trust your beloved CPC with a majority. They did the Liberals and for many years.

b) The number of polls that have even put them within a possibility of a majority are long ago and fewer in number then the polls showing a Liberal victory.

In other words Canadians still don't trust Harper, or his party enough to actually let him govern without the permission of another party.

c) If it weren't for the NDP you cons would be unelectable.

d) Sorry for your luck.

[ridenrain]

Dion's flip flops have been covered so much, I doubt I need to prove it. The FACT That he was a cabinet minister under martin and supported the shift from the north to the south is a given fact. If you can find his protest in the parliament, I'd be suprised.

The CPC definately have it covered but you'd never believe them so I'll let Jack to the talking:

[web]http://www.ndp.ca/page/4586[/web]

Hell, even Liberal Bloggers are bitching about it:
[web]http://liberaloutsider.blogspot.com/2006/11/180-degrees-of-stephane-dion-and.html[/web]

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

1) The Liberal position was always to be in afghanistan but to actually hand over responsibility to the afghan people in 2009 and tell them they had better cut the mustard because in 2011 your country is yours.

Prove that.
I've proven that the Afghanistan Compact, signed by paul martin keeps us there to 2011, and that paul martin put us in Kanduhar.
2011 is from the Afghan Compact, signed by paul martin.

I show facts and you spin bullshit.
I can't convince you but the other readers can see through you're crap.

[Johnny_Utah]

The Bottom Line is Liberals like DerbyX are Hypocrites when it comes to Canada's Mission in Afghanistan because their bitching and whining over it has nothing to do with the Mission itself it has to do with the fact the Liberals are out of power no longer calling the shots which eats them alive..

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

1) The Liberal position was always to be in afghanistan but to actually hand over responsibility to the afghan people in 2009 and tell them they had better cut the mustard because in 2011 your country is yours.

Prove that.
I've proven that the Afghanistan Compact, signed by paul martin keeps us there to 2011, and that paul martin put us in Kanduhar.
2011 is from the Afghan Compact, signed by paul martin.

I show facts and you spin bullshit.
I can't convince you but the other readers can see through you're crap.

Actually the only thing you are convincing everybody (brainwashed cons excluded of course) is that you are unable to divest yourself of the very politics you have railed against for the last year or so.

Gone: Your cries that people stop politicizing the war.

Gone: Your complaint that the other parties can't work with the CPC.

Gone: Your grasp on reality. Well, OK that you never had to begin with.

The invasion was always about a quick snatch and grap to get osama and never ever would have happened had the US been able to kill him or had he been handed over by the Taliban. This BS humanitarian shite is just a way to legitamize the war to everybody who doesn't think the war is on all msulims.

Chretien believed this and propably believed that the US would propably capture osama quickly and then leave. They certainly never envisoned an invasion of Iraq which we are now guilty of and they certainly never envisioned a neverending war of occupation. Martin had it tougher as he was far more military oriented and yet you still bitch and complain about him. I bet even he saw at least progress being made.

Nobody ever envisoned or supported a 60 yearoccupation that you fuckwits seem to believe in.

You have no facts, you have whatever rhetoric you need to justify your bloodlust.

Where the fuck were you to protest Canada's protest over the USSR trying to bring peace and order to afghansitan, the same thing we are trying to do.

Where the fuck was your arguemnt we should help out when some very brave and very liberal women went into afghanistan without weapons and no help if they got caught all to try and show whats going on their?

You didn't spring to their aid.

Where the fuck were you when Rwanda was happening? Hell, where are you now about all the other atrocities going on?

How about all the medical and food problems? Did you give Bono the finger becasue all he wanted Canadians to do was give a fraction of what we spent in Afghanistan to save far more lives elsewhere? We have been here before.

Is it because they are black?

Stop tellign everybody that because you suddenly saw a chance for Canadian troops to kill people that its a cause we should all embrace when you won't do a damn thing to help even your own people.

You haven't proven one iota as to what our role in afghanistan was let alone what we can change as events change.

You haven't even proven what possible legitimate reason there is for Canadian troops to simply walk into a foreign country and assume control.

You haven't proven squat beyond your ususal BS.

[DerbyX]

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

The Bottom Line is Liberals like DerbyX are Hypocrites when it comes to Canada's Mission in Afghanistan because their bitching and whining over it has nothing to do with the Mission itself it has to do with the fact the Liberals are out of power no longer calling the shots which eats them alive..

Its good to see you as uneducated and illinformed about Afghansitan as you are with regards to polcing.

Honestly, if you showed any level of intelligence at all you might shake my faith.

Thank-you for proving me right yet again.

[ridenrain]

You're all over the map (from Afghanistan to Rwanda) on this so let's take baby steps towards you're loss.

Do you accept the Afghan compact and the timeline that is represented?
If not, can you provide a proven alternative?

Do you accept the fact that martin signed the Compact and authorized us to go from Kabal to Kanduhar, without the provisions and conditions against combat?

Do you accept that Dion was part of the martin government and can you prove that Dion did not agree with martin's decision?


Stop mincing about with the charactor assasination and stick to the facts. The facts are that the Liberals put Canadian troops in Afghanistan and now some of the same Liberals who supported the original mission are against it, for the sake of politics.

The Liberals are the only party that's changed their position on this matter.

[sasquatch2]

Johnny_Utah

$1:

The Bottom Line is Liberals like DerbyX are Hypocrites when it comes to Canada's Mission in Afghanistan because their bitching and whining over it has nothing to do with the Mission itself it has to do with the fact the Liberals are out of power no longer calling the shots which eats them alive..

Exactly but in their heart of hearts they are bitterly aware that their reign of terror is over. Even the CBC is starting to clue in---now if the Senate got the message......
In another land they would be donning explosive vests.......

[DerbyX]

Ya know RR,

You are so busy talking about your heroic effort to help the Afghan people, well, other peoples efforts that you seem to forget that you call anybody who prints insulting materiel about their religion will be looked at in the same manner as the reporter sentenced to death for reprinting a muslim insulting article.

All th ewhile you cheer Ezra as a hero you try and convince people that you truly have the best in mind for the very people who would see him strung up.

The muslim cleric you so thoughtfully hammered on this forum is exactly the type of person who we are supporting and his beliefs and words that you yourself posted are exactly the type (if not more militant) by the very people of the very country that spawned the Taliban that we now support (with opium dollars of course).

Hell,even the very modern and peaceful muslims I work with who despise the whole suicide crap suddenly turn angry when I tried to explain that free speech means being allowed to print such things, a concept they don't believe in.

So the next time you post about being a heroic (well other people anyway) champion of the afghan people just remember that we have many of those very same people living among us trying to bring their religion and laws to us and apparently all with the blessing of yourself and the CPC.

I guess the CPC is a religious party, a muslim one, afterall eh.

[ridenrain]

Please stay on the topic at hand:

$1:

Do you accept the Afghan compact and the timeline that is represented?
If not, can you provide a proven alternative?

Do you accept the fact that martin signed the Compact and authorized us to go from Kabal to Kanduhar, without the provisions and conditions against combat?

Do you accept that Dion was part of the martin government and can you prove that Dion did not agree with martin's decision?

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You're all over the map (from Afghanistan to Rwanda) on this so let's take baby steps towards you're loss.

Do you accept the Afghan compact and the timeline that is represented?
If not, can you provide a proven alternative?

Do you accept the fact that martin signed the Compact and authorized us to go from Kabal to Kanduhar, without the provisions and conditions against combat?

Do you accept that Dion was part of the martin government and can you prove that Dion did not agree with martin's decision?


Stop mincing about with the charactor assasination and stick to the facts. The facts are that the Liberals put Canadian troops in Afghanistan and now some of the same Liberals who supported the original mission are against it, for the sake of politics.

The Liberals are the only party that's changed their position on this matter.

Do you accept allegience to allah?

Do you agree with sharia law?

Do you even understand the concept of change let alone the reasons why its perfectly natural for us to change our position given that a new party leader may decide years later taht things have changed?

You can't even face the facts of your own hypocracy in just a few weeks so how can you possibly condemn the Liberals for deciding "enough is enough".

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Please stay on the topic at hand:

$1:

Do you accept the Afghan compact and the timeline that is represented?
If not, can you provide a proven alternative?

Do you accept the fact that martin signed the Compact and authorized us to go from Kabal to Kanduhar, without the provisions and conditions against combat?

Do you accept that Dion was part of the martin government and can you prove that Dion did not agree with martin's decision?

Answer the point that it is you who will bring the very threat Ezra is talking about to Canada.

[ridenrain]

I will be pleased to discuss any other matter in it's own thread, but this one is about the reported compromise on Afghanistan.
If you continue to dodge the matter at hand, I will be forced to parade around like a jackass, bosting "I won, I won" like it somehow matters.

As I said, I don't expect to change you're mind or get you to even say that this position puts the Libs in a bad light. At the very best, I'd expect you to drop out of the thread and the readers an form their own opinion.

[Johnny_Utah]

DerbyX I know more about the Mission in Afghanistan then you give me credit for. I'm not the one running aorund having a Meltdown trying to prove my point on the other hand you are..

Keep Ranting, also don't reply yet as for some reason your on my ignore list and I can't take you off!

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I will be pleased to discuss any other matter in it's own thread, but this one is about the reported compromise on Afghanistan.
If you continue to dodge the matter at hand, I will be forced to parade around like a jackass, bosting "I won, I won" like it somehow matters.

As I said, I don't expect to change you're mind or get you to even say that this position puts the Libs in a bad light. At the very best, I'd expect you to drop out of the thread and the readers an form their own opinion.

Dodge dodge dodge.

I did answer. I answered concerning your inability to actually post anything concerning any black and white orders detailing our exact responsibilities in Afghansitan showed you conceeded the point.

In addition, I already stated that the Liberals entire compromise is based entirely upon staying in afghanistan in a different role, a role anybody but a warmonger would support.

In addition I also proved that despite whatever BS yopu want to post nothing precludes a new party leader from deciding a different course of action just as you would support Harper entirely if he decided despite agreeing to many kyoto arguments if he suddenly turfed it all aside if he got a majority.

In addition you aren't addressing my topic concerning your complete flip-flop over helping the afghan muslims and bitching about them on every other thread. Thats because I hit home with that point.

You still can't figure it out.