[camerontech]

they evacuated from what I gathered? The security of the alliance must of been left to the Serbian authorities.

maybe I'm wrong?

[Bacardi4206]

stemmer stemmer:

Wow...so many Canadians are in support of Serbs torching the embassy of our ally and friend... I wonder if your province ever encounters a disaster will you be calling China or Russia for aid?

One of the very reasons I sleep easy at night is knowing we share our border with an ally and friend who is always there when Canada is down and out...

I sleep easy knowing George Bush is President of the United States and he is one of the few leaders in the world taking a stand against international thugs and punks in a effort to make this a much better world...

Yet most of the world will take a stand against America and Bush on key political topics like Iraq, Kyoto, global warming, etc.... I will not stand idly by and allow our American friends to be so easily betrayed by "fear weather friends"...

Rofl, whatever you are smoking. Please put it out before it infects anybody else .

George W. Bush is the worst thing to ever happen to the world, besides for hitler. Ever since he came into presidency of the United States, you got two wars going on that are being handled poorly. You got economic issues, they are down two twin towers, The U.S. military medical bills are constantly being cut, and I can go on. It will take atleast two presidencies or more to even start on the road to fix the damage he has done.

Also I don't recall "So many Canadian's in support of Serbs burning down the Embassy". If our province ever encounters a disaster, hmm what would we do other then handle it ourself? Theres use out global good reputation to recieve help? Contact the UN?, hmm, contact NATO?, Contact our good allies?

Though one of the reasons I sleep at night is the fact I live in Canada, where atleast before the Afghan War we wern't on anybodys enemy list and diddn't have to worry about being attacked by any terrorists.

[sasquatch2]

Bacardi4206

$1:

Hang on a second, why was that Embassy ungaurded? A U.S. one expecially. There was 0 people in it? A little odd? Usually theres what guarding a Embassy, Soldiers? or atleast security guards.

Oh yeah! Usually a detachment of US Marines. Likely stood down to prevent bad press.....God forbid if a marine should injure or worse kill a "peaceful protestor". Right now an unidentified burned body was found in the burned embassey. The US Mission counted noses and all are accounted for. What really happened to this unfortunate "peaceful protestor"?
Although I sympathized with the Serbs for the same reasons as Bart--The Kosovars ethnic cleansed most of Kosovo under the NATO?UN watch-----allowing your citizens to attack an embassey is just not cricket.

[sasquatch2]

Bacardi4206

$1:

Rofl, whatever you are smoking. Please put it out before it infects anybody else .

George W. Bush is the worst thing to ever happen to the world, besides for hitler. Ever since he came into presidency of the United States, you got two wars going on that are being handled poorly. You got economic issues, they are down two twin towers, The U.S. military medical bills are constantly being cut, and I can go on. It will take atleast two presidencies or more to even start on the road to fix the damage he has done.

Also I don't recall "So many Canadian's in support of Serbs burning down the Embassy". If our province ever encounters a disaster, hmm what would we do other then handle it ourself? Theres use out global good reputation to recieve help? Contact the UN?, hmm, contact NATO?, Contact our good allies?

Though one of the reasons I sleep at night is the fact I live in Canada, where atleast before the Afghan War we wern't on anybodys enemy list and diddn't have to worry about being attacked by any terrorists.

I know you though Gore's sciencefiction movie was fact but....do you also have a theory on crop circles?

[camerontech]

stemmer stemmer:

Wow...so many Canadians are in support of Serbs torching the embassy of our ally and friend... I wonder if your province ever encounters a disaster will you be calling China or Russia for aid?

One of the very reasons I sleep easy at night is knowing we share our border with an ally and friend who is always there when Canada is down and out...

I sleep easy knowing George Bush is President of the United States and he is one of the few leaders in the world taking a stand against international thugs and punks in a effort to make this a much better world...

Yet most of the world will take a stand against America and Bush on key political topics like Iraq, Kyoto, global warming, etc.... I will not stand idly by and allow our American friends to be so easily betrayed by "fear weather friends"...

This has nothing to do with being allies and no one here is supporting the torching of an embassy. Just because the US supports the breakup of Serbia does not mean we have too, it also does not mean that we have to agree with it. I think it's wrong, and several other nations and people agree. We're not talking about Kyoto or Iraq here we are talking about a Eastern European nation, don't try to bring the "anti-American" BS in this because I am certainly not "anti-US". I disagree with Kosovo's independence, just like China and Russia and Spain.

[ShepherdsDog]

So much for the pro Western Gov't that was in power in Serbia. The West fucked up on this one big time. This could possibly turn into a larger regional conflict if the Albanians living in Kosovo province try and amalgamate with Albania proper. The Serbs aren't going to stand for it and rightly so. If they decide to use theeir military to preserve their territorial integrity, we (Westerners) need to mind our own buisness.

We had an interesting discussion about this in one of my classes. Most of the Taiwanese supported Kosovo for the obvious reason, they see a parallel between this and their conflict with the PRC and also the fact that the PRC doesn't support Kosovo's declaration. They seem surprised that I didn't support it as well, until I explained why it would be hypocrtical for a Canadian, interested in preserving Canada, to do so. Kosovo is neither a legitimate or democratic state, and should remain a part of Serbia.

[Johnny_Utah]

This goes beyond an attack on the U.S. Embassy as it really has nothing to do with the U.S.

Kosovo declaring it's independence could be the possible start of a Civil War..

[stemmer]

Sorry...but this has everything to do with standing with your allies and knowing who your allies are...

So stand by China, stand by Russia... Our Liberal government did the same over Iraq, so let us insult the USA and further alienate ourselves from our neighbor and ally...

/sarcasm on

BUT that's OK 'cause we will have new allies in Moscow and Peking... Yeah right...

/sarcasm off

IF Kosovo wants to secede from Serbia, then all the power to them... Why should a nation coerce a people to remain part of a political union it does not want to be part of? NONE...

AND please stop with the anti-Bush crap... Bush is one of the few sane things in this insane world... IF you must blame an American President for 9-11, blame Clinton...

I hope Harper doesn't punk out and he man's up on this and attempts to undo some of the past Liberal wrongs with the USA...

I wonder how many of you lamented when many of the states and republics were set free from years of coercion under the USSR....?

[ShepherdsDog]

This has nothing to do with the US stemmer. This is all about Canada being a major hypocrite, supporting an ethnic minority breaking up a nation. You want to see Quebec unilaterally declare independence and try and leave Canada?

[Normalguy]

Despite the claims that the "Protestors" were acting spontaneously, I mean get real. Serbia is neither democratic nor are it's citizens free to act as they please. It may have started with alot of unhappy people but believe me it would be like Iraqis under Sadam's rule would "spontaneously" protest anything the Gov't did not overtly support. Another example of how the Balkan region and states should be dealt with once and for all. By that I mean pick a method, it does not matter but we cannot just ignore the issues there. Economic, political or humanitarian just get on with it.

Personally, I do not agree with any unilateral declaration of statehood of any group, ethnic or otherwise. Just look at the grief in Cechnya, which is still legally part of the Russian Federation, do we want that there? I think not as we will be right back there again.

The real issue is our (the west's) almost childlike short attention span and gullability. It's like we learned nothing from Bosnia. "Right! we're leaving, everything is ok guys (trust us), carry on". The anti-anything good anything except Michael Moore'Al friggin Gore press is less than helpfull and yet we gobble the spoon fed 20 second sound bites of BS they feed us as "facts". As long it does not interfere with the Hockey scores from last night, we are mightilly content and smug in our safety and comfort while entire regions of the globe are ignored by us and live in abject misery. The west should never have left as it was too early but the buzz word at the time was "Donor Fatigue". Poor friggin us, we either have the will do finish the job or shut up and let some else take up the slack. We left far too soon..

Who usually takes up that slack from the idle dogs of the planet right or wrong, the US. I'm not a popularist, limousine riding anti-US hypocrite like our centre left and leftists in Canada nor am I particularly a virulent pro-US acolyte. the fact remains that nature abhors a vacuum and if we choose not to do anything about it even when it screams at us to do so, we have only ourselves to blame.

“The big divide in this country is not between Democrats and Republicans, or women and men, but between talkers and doers.”--Thomas Sowell

"We called a tune but left before the piper was paid" enough talk! what will we do?? lets see if we can discuss that

[stemmer]

If they so wish to secede from Canada, then cut them loose... You can not coerce a love affair... Quebec must decide what is best for Quebec not people in Nova Scotia or in Ottawa...

[camerontech]

Like ShepherdsDog says, this isn't about us making friends with Russia or China and being anti-US, we will not lie about our feelings on the issue and we will not be hypocritical about it. sorry, but the US can understand our opinion and us disagreeing with them on this issue is the truth, we won't lie just to be friendly.

[dog77_1999]

The US shouldn't be involved in this. However, there are alot of Albainians living here and supporting Muslims seems to be a good thing with the War on Terror.

I can't see a real reason why there should be an independent Kosovo. If there are seperatists movements in any country, which they are alot, they aren't going to support it. It's going to make us look stupid unless there is firm support.

[stemmer]

Anyone who thinks this is not about standing with China & Russia or the USA is quite naive...

I suppose those favoring China & Russia also believe Tawain's claim to self government is illegal and will favour China's future attempts to invade...

[ShepherdsDog]

You've got a very limited world view. France and Britain supported Israel in 1956 during the Suez Crisis. The United States did not and told them to back off. Were they somehow disloyal to their allies and were the Americans siding with the Arabs and Russia against Israel?