[hurley_108]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Good. This just proves that the Conservatives haven't got a clue when it comes to the environment.

In your opinion maybe not..... but they do understand economics, which is more than any socialist ever will.

Bullshit. Why did every economist interviewed say that cutting the GST was a bad move and that income tax would be a better place to cut? Because the Liberals are actually better economic stewards than the Conservatives. the Conservatives are just out to buy votes by whatever means necessary, and damn to cost to the country.

$1:

Now, if I may be so bold as to point out that since China the biggest polluter on the planet won't do anything to curb pollution, because it would detrimentally effect their economy, W The F should we destroy ours just so you people can feel good about yourselves.

It WON'T destroy ours! Go back a few posts. I showed that the cost of a carbon tax would be a third of the GST. The GST didn't kill our economy, did it? Why would a carbon tax? Especially after we just CUT about a third OUT of the GST, pumping billions back into this "threatened" economy.

[Zipperfish]

Brenda Brenda:

Doesn't it get burnt?

No--not here. Landfilled. I don't think the sitaution would be any better if it was inincerated.

[Brenda]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Brenda Brenda:

Doesn't it get burnt?

No--not here. Landfilled. I don't think the sitaution would be any better if it was inincerated.

Well, if you can recycle more, separate everything, you can burn all the things that can not me melted into something else, or shredded for other purposes...
Actually, you don't burn that much.

[sasquatch2]

Actually I heated my house quite nicely, for half a day, with an old set of rubber boots.

[Brenda]

you know that rubber could have been recycled into a roadsurface, don't you?

[hurley_108]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Actually I heated my house quite nicely, for half a day, with an old set of rubber boots.

Nice. Excellent stewardship of the environment there, burning rubber.

[ridenrain]

Bring it on.
Along with their gun ban, their "raise the GST" and their "big government knows best", this is the perfect nail for the Liberals coffin.

I can hear it now.. "We'll double the price of oil and shut down the oilsands forever..."
Sure Dion. You, and you're little dog too.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I can hear it now.. "We'll double the price of oil and shut down the oilsands forever..."
Sure Dion. You, and you're little dog too.

Go away, quanitfy the effect of a $15/tonne carbon tax on the price of a barrel of crude, then come back. Until then, STFU you uneducated hack.

[RUEZ]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I can hear it now.. "We'll double the price of oil and shut down the oilsands forever..."
Sure Dion. You, and you're little dog too.

Go away, quanitfy the effect of a $15/tonne carbon tax on the price of a barrel of crude, then come back. Until then, STFU you uneducated hack.

WTF is that shit?

[ziggy]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

CrazyCanuck007 CrazyCanuck007:

we are taxed enough. if anything the gov'ts should remove the taxes from compact florecence lights and high efficency furnaces and hot water tanks and for upgrading my windows.
give ME a reason to switch...

What, the fact that you'll save energy isn't enough for you?

Besides, the proposed tax isn't that much, and they aren't proposing that it go to general revenue. They're proposing a $15/tonne tax that would go back to the provinces / sectors that emitted in the form of a fund for development of technologies for emissions remediation. For reference, Canada currently emits about 750 000 000 tonnes of CO2e per year. The GST earns the government about $30 billion per year. If you set the tax at the same revenue generation of the GST it would be $40/tonne, so we're talking a tax on the order of a third of the GST, which is not much at all, and it would go directly back to reducing emissions.

It's a good plan that won't cost much and will achieve real results.

A carbon tax?

Fuck,good luck!

[ziggy]

Hey Hurley,How do you heat your house?

Trick question.

[ziggy]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Actually I heated my house quite nicely, for half a day, with an old set of rubber boots.

Nice. Excellent stewardship of the environment there, burning rubber.

So what do you use for heat?

I bet it's Alberta's natural gas but I could be wrong

[Freakinoldguy]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Good. This just proves that the Conservatives haven't got a clue when it comes to the environment.

In your opinion maybe not..... but they do understand economics, which is more than any socialist ever will.

Bullshit. Why did every economist interviewed say that cutting the GST was a bad move and that income tax would be a better place to cut? Because the Liberals are actually better economic stewards than the Conservatives. the Conservatives are just out to buy votes by whatever means necessary, and damn to cost to the country.

$1:

Now, if I may be so bold as to point out that since China the biggest polluter on the planet won't do anything to curb pollution, because it would detrimentally effect their economy, W The F should we destroy ours just so you people can feel good about yourselves.

It WON'T destroy ours! Go back a few posts. I showed that the cost of a carbon tax would be a third of the GST. The GST didn't kill our economy, did it? Why would a carbon tax? Especially after we just CUT about a third OUT of the GST, pumping billions back into this "threatened" economy.

Ya right, and just how do we compete with the Chinese who will still be polluting like mad with no "CARBON TAX" to cut jobs.

Here's a quote about the negatives of the Great Carbon Tax:

$1:

Imposition of a carbon tax implies significant adjustment problems for a number of key Canadian manufacturing and other industries (such as trucking) which are tightly integrated into the mid-continent manufacturing sector. In markets where Canadian employers must compete with foreign suppliers, the imposition of carbon taxes here, but not in other industries (or at least trading regions), would place domestic companies at a significant competitive disadvantage. This means that domestic jobs would be lost

.

So in essence what this is saying is that if you enforce a carbon tax and don't want to lose jobs to polluting overseas competition you have to reduce taxes to industry and corporations to make them remain competetive.

Well guess what happens when industry and corporations get tax reductions. Thats right the tax burden goes back to the ordinary citizen to pick up.

So not only are you paying more for your gas or oil you also get to subsidize big industry and mega corporations, which despite the feel good factor for some people, is pure crap.

[hurley_108]

ziggy ziggy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Actually I heated my house quite nicely, for half a day, with an old set of rubber boots.

Nice. Excellent stewardship of the environment there, burning rubber.

So what do you use for heat?

I bet it's Alberta's natural gas but I could be wrong

Yep, it's natural gas. My peak usage so far was just under 12 gigajoules in the month of February last year. It troughed at one GJ in July. CO2 per GJ is about 52kg. 12 GJ then releases 624kg of CO2 into the atmosphere. At $15/tonne, that works out to an extra $9.36 on my HIGHEST gas bill, and jut $0.77 on my lowest. I am PERFECTLY willing to pay that.

[damngrumpy]

well I try not to buy anything made in China these days as they are using slave labour half the time and the multi nationals are ripping us off with lower standards and we need those factory jobs back here so why buy from those who are competing with us?
However when it comes to a carbon tax, I am not in favor at all on this one I support the government.
We know there is a problem but how big we don't know, as the scientists are using fear and propaganda to scare everyone into doing what they want.
I have trouble trusting david suzuki and his battery of green friends.