[Brenda]

$1:

What, if any, harmful effects does it produce.

For one, it smells like hell (and so do your farts )

$1:

People need to get real and discover where all the so called pollution is coming from.

Hows about second hand car exhaust emissions.

That smell like hell too But polution? Here? No. Not according to what I was used to.

I prefer my home and my car smoke-free though, as it was hard enough to quit 9 years ago, and I don't want to start all over again... And it smells better...

$1:

I was considering quitting smoking but then it occurred to me I would then be exposed to second hand smoke..............

Which you know is more dangerous than smoking yourself




So, to make myself clear on this: I decide where I smoke or don't smoke. I don't need some politician tell me when or where to smoke in or around my own property. I don't want tax payers money wasted on officers who are gonna tell me I shouldn't smoke in my car with my kids (they can tell me that themselves quite nicely...). I want the police to catch real criminals, like robbers or murderers...

[stratos]

Just think about it. Smokeing in a car is now as bad as speeding, running a red light and makeing a wrong turn. Soon it will be as bad as being a child molester.

[sasquatch2]

$1:

I was considering quitting smoking but then it occurred to me I would then be exposed to second hand smoke..............

My comment was to ridicule the preposterous notion of the "evil effects" of second hand smoke. Personal taste as to the 'nose environment' of YOUR home or YOUR car is another matter.

I dislike on principle the very notion of scientific consensus but hard science here appears one sided----media hype occupies the other side.

$1:

In 1998, the World Health Organization concluded flatly there there is no link between second hand smoke and cancer, and that in fact, second hand smoke could actually have a protective effect against cancer.

$1:

"..not only might there be no link between passive smoking and lung cancer, but that it could even have a protective effect."
World Health Organization, March 1998

"The results are consistent with there being no additional risk for a person living or working with a smoker and could be consistent with passive smoke having a protective effect against lung cancer.."
London Telegraph, 1999

"In general, there was no elevated lung cancer risk associated with passive smoke exposure in the workplace. ..."
- Brownson et. al.
American Journal of Public Health, November 1992, Vol. 82, No. 11

"... no evidence of an adverse effect of environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace."
- Janerich et al. New England Journal of Medicine, Sept. 6, 1990

"... the association with exposure to passive smoking at work was small and not statistically significant."
- Kalandidi et al.
Cancer Causes and Control, 1, 15-21, 1990

"We did not generally find an increase in CHD [coronary heart disease] risk associated with ETS [environmental smoke] exposure at work or in other settings."
Steenland et al.
Circulation, Vol. 94, No. 4, August 15, 1996

"... no statistically significant increase in risk associated with exposure to environmental tobacco smoke at work or during social activities...."
- Stockwell et al.
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 84:1417-1422, 1992

"There was no association between exposure to ETS at the workplace and risk of lung cancer."
Zaridze et al., 1998
International Journal of Cancer, 1998, 75, 335-338

It is interesting to note that attempts to gain access to the study funded by the American Cancer Society and referred to by the ACS in 1992, which is the basis of this hysteria, are inaccessable. Even the ACS has had to admit now they cannot verify this.

[Brenda]

You know what I find so weird about it? If smoking is THAT dangerous, that you have to install a taskforce to make sure people don't smoke... WTH can everybody buy a pack of cigarettes, EVERYWHERE???

Oh, I know! If you ban selling smokes, a lot of companies go broke, and what about the government? They don't collect taxes then...

(Yes, Sasq, I was aware of that)

[kenmore]

jeeze .. if you people dont know the harm cigarettes do to people you need to get your head out of your ass.. second hand smoke has serious effect on lungs of children, esp infants.. I work in health care. palliative care and take care of people in end stage of cancer.. most lung cancer.. direct cause is smoking. bladder cancer caused my smoking and working with rubber ie plants like tire manufacturing.. I am totally supporting banning smoking everywhere.. its one thing to be careless with your own life but you shouldnt put others , esp children in danger... bravo ! Nova Scotia (if thats the province).. smoking sucks ... smells like shit and is costly. what more reason do you need?

[Brenda]

You didn't get my point, did you?

Don't sell the stuff and make it illegal if it is so dangerous Big Brother has to pull me over for smoking in my car. Do I have a CHOICE to do with my life what I want? Or is this country becoming such a nanny state, next thing I know is police is coming to my door to see if I am in bed by 10?

I quit for a reason, remember? But that was MY choice, and my choice only. I cannot tell anyone else what to do with their lifes, that is their responsability. Not a politicians.

We are born with common sense. Now all we need is being allowed to use it

[sasquatch2]

Kenmore has invoked the everybody knows and if you disagree you are a poopyhead argument.....Brilliant.

[Arctic_Menace]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Kenmore has invoked the everybody knows and if you disagree you are a poopyhead argument.....Brilliant.

What, and you haven't?

[sasquatch2]

Arctic_Menace

$1:

What, and you haven't?

Nah! Don't have to resort to insults just reality. There is seldom any pleasure in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Post "inconvenient truths" with link backup and the usual suspects invoke the 'poopyhead" argument.

[kenmore]

I said you as an adult have freedom of choice... but when it comes to protecting children and infants. I say about time.. the filthy habit and addiction which costs the health care system billions should be illegal.. smokers will argue until they turn blue ( which is fairly quick seeing how their lungs are compromised) that they had an uncle smoke all his life lived to be 90 etc. facts are facts and cigarette companies spend billions challenging the facts.. then the poor smuck gets oh a spot on the lung and now realizes he should have packed in the shit years ago.. so why put kids at risk...

[Brenda]

As an adult, you have freedom of choice. Yes.

And that freedom of choice means I can do what ever I want with legal thing when ever I want, especially in or on my own property.

There is no need for a police officer to pull me over, when I do legal things (smoking is legal, owning cigarettes is legal, and me driving my car is legal), while instead he could be out looking for the guy who molested my grandmother (which is illegal...), who is in the hospital now with a broken hip. Right?

[kenmore]

if you people think that there is no health risk to smoking... get your head out of your ass.... you are delsional.... proven fact many times..
dont come whining and looking for sympathy when you have chronic lung disease.. emphysema.. COPD.... and eventually but definately lung cancer..... actually on second thought keep your head in your ass... its better protected there...

[kenmore]

and typo folks that would be you are delusional ! cheers

[Brenda]

You didn't get my point.

I never said smoking would be a very good one for ya healthwise... What I am trying to get through your thick skull, is that no one can tell me when to use a legal thing in or on my own property.

If they want to make smoking illegal, ban it as a whole. Don't sell it. Criminalize it.

You are making a health issue over it, but people are allowed to use that terrible thing in their own home, but not in their car. In their own yard, but not in their car. Don't you see how bad that is? That big brother is not going to catch that ass that killed your grandmother for $ 20,-, but is going to fine your neighbour for smoking in his convertible?

[Montrealaise]

Brenda Brenda:

As an adult, you have freedom of choice. Yes.

And that freedom of choice means I can do what ever I want with legal thing when ever I want, especially in or on my own property.

Too bad a child doesn't have freedom of choice. I doubt they'd chose to drive in a smoke filled car.