CKA Forums
Login 
canadian forums
bottom
 
 
Canadian Forums

Author Topic Options
Offline
Site Admin
Site Admin
Profile
Posts: 32460
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:20 pm
 


There's good and bad with publicly funded healthcare. There's a good example of the bad part. Although the article doesn't mention it, it sounds like it was quite a good recourse for a multiple level of users. So just to save money in one branch of healthcare they shut it down? Our healthcare system does a poor job with preventative medicine.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
Profile
Posts: 22594
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:32 pm
 


Maybe I'm missing something here but how many more redundant sources of ignored information does the public need to get active, lose some weight, stop smoking, drinking & drugs, and get an anual physical check up.
A great deal of these "preventative measures" are pretty common knowlage and that info is drilled into us on a regular basis from all manor of sources. Almost all news episodes have some form of health care advise, and they get far more coverage in that day than this site did in a month.
A better question would be how effective these preventative measures programs work at getting people to change their habits. I find it funny that there are a number of the same names that we also see in the decriminalize illegal drugs threads. Surely buying and taking illegal and unregulated drugs from criminals must be in that list of advice somewhere. Advice alone just doesn't seam to be working.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Toronto Maple Leafs


GROUP_AVATAR

GROUP_AVATAR
Profile
Posts: 20460
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:37 pm
 


This is why it was a bad move for the gov't to shut down the site.

$1:
"Why would the government choose to cut this program when it has a surplus?" asked Connie Clement, executive director of the Ontario Prevention Clearinghouse, one of the network's affiliates. "Where does it put the question of partnerships between the government and the non-profit sector?"

Four or five years ago, such a move might have been understandable. The Canadian Health Network got off to a slow start. During its developmental stages, few people knew what it was or how it worked.

But lately, its website has been getting 380,000 hits a month, 40 per cent of them health-care professionals. In the last year alone, its usage has increased by 70 per cent. It has established a reputation as a trustworthy portal in a cyberworld of drug manufacturers, health-care conglomerates and self-promoting quacks.

Shutting down the network was a "very difficult decision," said Alain Desroches of the Public Health Agency. "The agency will continue to look for effective and innovative ways to provide Canadians with high quality, credible information through other means."

In fact, Health Minister Tony Clement launched a new website, www.healthycanadians.gc.ca, in October, to provide users with information about all of the government's programs – its children's fitness tax credit, its revised Canada Food Guide, its toy safety tips, its latest product recalls and its healthy pregnancy guide – designed to promote an active, well-balanced lifestyle.

There's certainly nothing wrong with centralizing all of Ottawa's health information in one place.

What's missing from the new database is any reference to the links between health and the environment, disease and poverty, or violence and gun control. Nor does it touch sensitive topics such as abortion, genetically modified foods or sexual abuse. It completely overlooks mental illness.

In contrast, the Canadian Health Network is all-encompassing. It looks at controversial questions from all sides. It is constantly updated as new knowledge becomes available.

Losing the program won't be the end of the world. Canadians will find other useful websites such as MedlinePlus.gov run by the National Institutes of Health in the United States or AboutKids-Health.ca run by Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children. The members of the network will find other ways to reach out to the public.

But the idea of a comprehensive, national database, built and maintained by the best people in their fields will wither.

The belief that Canadians can work together, with the government providing a common forum, will wane.

A promising experiment will die.

And the government will look for another non-essential program to cut.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Montreal Canadiens


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 12283
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:46 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
A better question would be how effective these preventative measures programs work at getting people to change their habits. I find it funny that there are a number of the same names that we also see in the decriminalize illegal drugs threads. Surely buying and taking illegal and unregulated drugs from criminals must be in that list of advice somewhere. Advice alone just doesn't seam to be working.


And yet there has been a steady decline in smoking over time.

Would this have happened without government measures to inform the public about the risks of smoking?


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
Profile
Posts: 22594
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:59 pm
 


Was that effort due only to this the bold, yet expensive website?
I'd say more Canadians get their healthcare advice from US TV instead of obscure government websites.


$1:
What's missing from the new database is any reference to the links between health and the environment, disease and poverty, or violence and gun control. Nor does it touch sensitive topics such as abortion, genetically modified foods or sexual abuse. It completely overlooks mental illness.


These are topics that have a political shade to them. Why are you suprised that a neuteral government website wold not have them? If you want those junk-science connections, check you're unionized healthcare websites.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Toronto Maple Leafs


GROUP_AVATAR

GROUP_AVATAR
Profile
Posts: 20460
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:32 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Was that effort due only to this the bold, yet expensive website?
I'd say more Canadians get their healthcare advice from US TV instead of obscure government websites.


$1:
What's missing from the new database is any reference to the links between health and the environment, disease and poverty, or violence and gun control. Nor does it touch sensitive topics such as abortion, genetically modified foods or sexual abuse. It completely overlooks mental illness.


These are topics that have a political shade to them. Why are you suprised that a neuteral government website wold not have them? If you want those junk-science connections, check you're unionized healthcare websites.


You were wrong to claim that the Liberals would never increase seats for the west and redistribute them in a fair manner.

You were wrong and didn't have the honour or character to admit it.

Always remember that.


Now that I have reminded you about your lack of character I will comment on your misinformed post.

As the article says the new gov't website replaced a very fair and informative one with one that doesn't tackle any of the tough issues because they don't fit in with the social political agenda of conservatism.

Can't have women getting information on abortion now can we.

As for your ignorance about junk-science well lets just agree that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

You were wrong and didn't admit it.

Always remember that.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber


GROUP_AVATAR
Profile
Posts: 10896
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:36 pm
 


Anything that pisses off Dx and Streaker i'm behind 1000%, I know they are doing something good.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
Profile
Posts: 22594
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:30 pm
 


Lol. I wonder how long I can make the little puppet dance?
This could be fun. :-)


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Toronto Maple Leafs


GROUP_AVATAR

GROUP_AVATAR
Profile
Posts: 20460
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:46 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Lol. I wonder how long I can make the little puppet dance?
This could be fun. :-)


:lol:

You are the assclown who hasn't got the courage to admit it when he falsely accused the Liberals of something that was shown to be an utter lie.

Always remember you were wrong and didn't have the courage or character to admit it.

:lol: As usual. :lol:


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
 Vancouver Canucks
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 35285
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:11 pm
 


I sent a letter to my MP to tell him just how bad of an idea this is. Of all the things to cut, it simply boggles the mind as to how they could ever have come to such a conclusion.





PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:30 am
 


7 million? For a website?


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Vancouver Canucks
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 25516
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:43 am
 


I didn't even know this site existed.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
Profile
Posts: 22594
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:06 pm
 


I'd honestly like to know someone who did know it was there. Even if I was looking for that sort of info, I'd never have bothered or thought to check with the federal governmnt.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 23092
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:17 pm
 


I find it rather interesting that the Tories shut down a rather busy website (almost 400,000 hits a month) and replace it with one more ideologically appealing (ie. nothing on abortion, gun control, GM food). After a quick check, it doesn't look like has a section on STDs or birth control either.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
Profile
Posts: 22594
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:20 pm
 


Which one replaced it? The first one I posted was simply the first of the google search for Health Canada. The second one is the $7 million one that got the axe.


Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Previous  1  2  3  Next



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests




 
     
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © Canadaka.net. Powered by © phpBB.