[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Thank you for the observation.

Derby is trying to paint me as totally partisan, but in my defense, I've posted on a number of occasions where I do not agree with the CPC.
That makes it about 300 times more often than he has.

Riiight.

You accept everything Harper does as gold even when its exactly the same as the things you screamed murder over when the Liberals did it.

On yer bike.

As I said before on a few occasions, you have out-partisaned me. You're ability to parrot a party line while hopping about with you're fingers in you're ears has warranted you this dubious congratulations.

We should have a filibuster medal for you.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Thank you for the observation.

Derby is trying to paint me as totally partisan, but in my defense, I've posted on a number of occasions where I do not agree with the CPC.
That makes it about 300 times more often than he has.

Riiight.

You accept everything Harper does as gold even when its exactly the same as the things you screamed murder over when the Liberals did it.

On yer bike.

As I said before on a few occasions, you have out-partisaned me. You're ability to parrot a party line while hopping about with you're fingers in you're ears has warranted you this dubious congratulations.

We should have a filibuster medal for you.

rave on Macduff. rave on.

Admit it. You are the grand partisan hack and you know it.

Tow the party line? Not me considering I'm against kyoto and gun control and vocally state it.

The reality is I defend the Liberal triumps such as their budget and debt wizardry whereas you my partisan chum simply piss on everything the Liberals do while extolling it when your own party does.

Examples: You called Belinda every name in the book and publically lauded Harpers "promise" to not accept floor-crossers in such a manner.

You sure changed your tune quick when Emerson came on board bringing with him the very plan to end the softwood dispute that you guys were previously saying was tantamount to giving in.

Your response when it went ahead. "Well Harper ended it and got us money so its all golden."

In the run up to the election you vilified the Liberals for both acting like a minority and acting like a majority gov't but applauded Harper for the same tactics.

You were one of the most vocal concerning political porking, QC pandering, and party warfare against "honorable MPS who vote their riding first", all things you attributed only to the Libs.

That fell by the wayside as Harper appointed MPs to curry favours in ears he was going for support, cut a 2 billion dollar check that was as blatant a vote buying ploy as anything we have ever seen. Lets not forget your silence concerning embattled MPS given the boot for being the sort of politician you claim to admire. Flippity-flop, flippity-flop.

Of course we can also compare your vilifing Chretien for his GST promise breaking but your reaction tio Harpers on the trusts and raising income tax? I thought so. Hell I didn't even cry about him breaking his promise. Afterall he had to pay for his promised GSt cut somehow right?

Funny how you claim "priorities" when Harper delays, changes, or cancels militray purchases but give no such consideration to the Liberals even though your reasons applied more to them.

Seeing a pattern here of you doing partisan things I don't?

Of course we cannot forget the creme de la creme, the budget surplus. How long did you bitch and moan that not only was it proof the Liberals were stealing your, sorry "taxpayers" money that it was evidence of their inability to budget properly? Even ignoring for the absolute fact that every cent of the surplus went towards the debt, the least possible partisan thing possible and the fact that they told everybody they were deliberately budgetting to produce a surplus for that specific task you said no such thing with Harpers surplus did ya?

At most you said you would be pissed if Harper didn't provide a tax cut in next years budget.

Hell I congratulated Harper for putting the surplus towards the debt, I didn't bitch and say "where is my promised tax cut you CPC bastard".

See how I have proved you wrong? Go on, admit it. There is no shame in being second best to me.

You bitched about Mulroney with the "ïts old news" ignoring the fact that you still bitch about Chretien and fucking Trudeau. Works only one way?

Hell you dismissed Schreiber's statements as "false words of a criminal" but then suddenly he has credence when you find connections to the Libs? Ya right.

Every Liberal. no matter how tenacious the connection to the top is held as complete authority and proof of all your worst lies and misconceptions yet your response when harpers fucking ex-campaign manger for christsakes writes a book detailing the fact that they do indeed have a sceret agenda is "He's just one guy and its only his opinion.

Meanwhile Dions nephrews ex-girlfriend from 2 years ago gets caught shoplifting and somehow you claim its evidence of Liberal corruption. OK that last part is poetic license but not one single reasonable person on this forum doubt that you pull such nonsense.

Come up with a single example where I am anywhere near the partisan hack you are.

I will also point out that as my signature shows your "I only wanted to "conratulate Harper" means you are not only a partisan hack but a liar and an incorrect one as well. You didn't just want to congradulate him you did what you always do, take a shot at the Liberals which is exactly what you did. Its just delicious that I was able to bust you wide open. Yum.

Hell you are the 20 star general grand ayatollah of partisanship and I haven't even made it through basic yet.

On yer bike.

[DerbyX]

BTW Riden,

The last time you caled me a partisan it was during the china thread where you bitched about how their products are all lead based toxic crap and we would never do such things?

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California sues toymakers over lead

SAN FRANCISCO - California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown on Monday sued 20 companies, including Mattel Inc. and Toys "R" Us, claiming they sold toys containing "unlawful quantities of lead."

The suit, filed in Alameda County Superior Court, alleges the companies knowingly exposed children to lead and failed to provide warning of the risk, which is required under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, known as Proposition 65.

If the suit is successful, the companies could pay a $2,500 fine for each violation, according to the complaint.

Neither El Segundo, Calif.,-based Mattel nor New Jersey-based Toys "R" Us immediately returned calls seeking comment.

The move follows major recalls of toys, lunchboxes, children's jewelry and other goods during the last year by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission in Washington.

In June, toymaker RC2 Corp., one of the defendants in the suit, recalled 1.5 million of its Thomas & Friends Wooden Railway sets. Mattel followed in August with a series of recalls of more than 2 million toy cars, trains, shape-sorters and Barbie doll accessories. Its Fisher-Price unit also pulled Sesame Street-themed products from a line of infant and preschool toys.

The suit, which was joined by the Los Angeles city attorney's office, also named as defendants Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, KB Toys, Costco Wholesale and others.

And we know better don't we!

[ridenrain]

Bullshit.

Rather than counter every mistake, which you simply deny, spin and weasel away from, I'll simply point out you're entire rant is based on assumptions.
You're rant is based on "you guys" and the false image you are trying to project of me.
Again, you'll spin around in a little circle, spouting liberal platitudes while ignoring everything until people go away, then you claim you won, like some 8 year old.

I defended Warren Buffet's right to call he a bitch, and may have called he one myself but I doubt you can prove I called he anything worst.
I was unhappy with Emerson and said so.
The Softwood limber deal was the only realistic solution and you're stance that we should have just kept fighting with "those American bastards" is stupid and destructive, and ignorant of the damages this has caused Canada's lumber industry.
Stopping the income trusts was a good and necessary idea and it's illuminating to know that one of the main losers from that was paul martin's doctor, who ran one of Canada's largest income trusts.

Most of the rest of it is some imaginary injustice about how we treated poor Chrétien and martin so unfairly.
Even at the media's most despicable, they've yet to show anything on par with Chrétien and his "benevolent dictatorship"

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Come up with a single example where I am anywhere near the partisan hack you are.

Tow the party line? Not me considering I'm against kyoto and gun control and vocally state it.

You missed Adscam, or was that just a triumph of entripenurialship?

You're a waste of time arguing with because you are so partisan and I'm glad others are seeing it.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

BTW Riden,

The last time you caled me a partisan it was during the china thread where you bitched about how their products are all lead based toxic crap and we would never do such things?

$1:

California sues toymakers over lead

SAN FRANCISCO - California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown on Monday sued 20 companies, including Mattel Inc. and Toys "R" Us, claiming they sold toys containing "unlawful quantities of lead."

The suit, filed in Alameda County Superior Court, alleges the companies knowingly exposed children to lead and failed to provide warning of the risk, which is required under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, known as Proposition 65.

If the suit is successful, the companies could pay a $2,500 fine for each violation, according to the complaint.

Neither El Segundo, Calif.,-based Mattel nor New Jersey-based Toys "R" Us immediately returned calls seeking comment.

The move follows major recalls of toys, lunchboxes, children's jewelry and other goods during the last year by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission in Washington.

In June, toymaker RC2 Corp., one of the defendants in the suit, recalled 1.5 million of its Thomas & Friends Wooden Railway sets. Mattel followed in August with a series of recalls of more than 2 million toy cars, trains, shape-sorters and Barbie doll accessories. Its Fisher-Price unit also pulled Sesame Street-themed products from a line of infant and preschool toys.

The suit, which was joined by the Los Angeles city attorney's office, also named as defendants Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, KB Toys, Costco Wholesale and others.

And we know better don't we!

You fool..

I didn't say we'd never do things like that, because I know that we definitely would.
The point is that any western company who tried to do that would be subject to laws and fines up the yin-yang.
There would be many lawsuits and legal penalties.

The same problems from a company in China simply results in Mattel apologizing and taking the blame because they can't afford to go anywhere else. You can bitch all you like about the US but I don't see any Chinese eq. of the EPA.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

BTW Riden,

The last time you caled me a partisan it was during the china thread where you bitched about how their products are all lead based toxic crap and we would never do such things?

$1:

California sues toymakers over lead

SAN FRANCISCO - California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown on Monday sued 20 companies, including Mattel Inc. and Toys "R" Us, claiming they sold toys containing "unlawful quantities of lead."

The suit, filed in Alameda County Superior Court, alleges the companies knowingly exposed children to lead and failed to provide warning of the risk, which is required under the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986, known as Proposition 65.

If the suit is successful, the companies could pay a $2,500 fine for each violation, according to the complaint.

Neither El Segundo, Calif.,-based Mattel nor New Jersey-based Toys "R" Us immediately returned calls seeking comment.

The move follows major recalls of toys, lunchboxes, children's jewelry and other goods during the last year by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission in Washington.

In June, toymaker RC2 Corp., one of the defendants in the suit, recalled 1.5 million of its Thomas & Friends Wooden Railway sets. Mattel followed in August with a series of recalls of more than 2 million toy cars, trains, shape-sorters and Barbie doll accessories. Its Fisher-Price unit also pulled Sesame Street-themed products from a line of infant and preschool toys.

The suit, which was joined by the Los Angeles city attorney's office, also named as defendants Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, KB Toys, Costco Wholesale and others.

And we know better don't we!

You fool..

I didn't say we'd never do things like that, because I know that we definitely would.
The point is that any western company who tried to do that would be subject to laws and fines up the yin-yang.
There would be many lawsuits and legal penalties.

The same problems from a company in China simply results in Mattel apologizing and taking the blame because they can't afford to go anywhere else. You can bitch all you like about the US but I don't see any Chinese eq. of the EPA.

I'm not bitching about the US, you are bitching about china and hanging it all on the Libs.

Get it right for once will ya.

[ridenrain]

I was bitching about paul martin's plan to send Canadian bureaucrats over to China to meet their bureaucrats.
I'll still argue that because I can see no reason why it benefits Canada.

I doubt you could either, yet you defended it.
I believe you defended it simply because I was attacking paul martin.

Is that a reasonable reaction or knee jerk partisan behavior?

[DerbyX]

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Rather than counter every mistake, which you simply deny, spin and weasel away from, I'll simply point out you're entire rant is based on assumptions.
You're rant is based on "you guys" and the false image you are trying to project of me.
Again, you'll spin around in a little circle, spouting liberal platitudes while ignoring everything until people go away, then you claim you won, like some 8 year old.

Put up or shut up. The only moron twisting and spinning is you.

All you have done is cry about me being a partisan hack like you but I produced a point by point analysis and all you did was say "I'm rubber and you are glue".

Grow the fuck up and respond properly or off you go.

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I defended Warren Buffet's right to call he a bitch, and may have called he one myself but I doubt you can prove I called he anything worst.

Rephrase that in the form of a specific english question.

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I was unhappy with Emerson and said so.

You may have been unhappy with it but you vilified the Liberals beyond measure yet did no such thing when Harper went directly against his sworn statement .

By your own words "you grumbled at bit".

I didn't blast Harper for something I recognize as an aspect of our political system. You attacked one side far harsher then the other for something they both did.

See the difference? I know you can.

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The Softwood limber deal was the only realistic solution and you're stance that we should have just kept fighting with "those American bastards" is stupid and destructive, and ignorant of the damages this has caused Canada's lumber industry.

First, I didn't call them bastards, you just did. I don't do that or else Bart wouldn't like me like he does. My bone of contention is that you went from hating the deal to accepting it based on which party presented it.

I didn't.

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Stopping the income trusts was a good and necessary idea and it's illuminating to know that one of the main losers from that was paul martin's doctor, who ran one of Canada's largest income trusts.

A rationalization. fair enough. I rationalize the GST promise break. The problem is that to you the GST promise break was proof of his corruption and dishonesty whereas with Harper you say "good and necessay".

Get it now? I may point it out but notice I say "Harper also broke promises" not "Harper is a lying piece of shit but Chretien is an honest saint">

You do no such thing. The very same type of promise broken and for the same reasons merits one Darts and the other Laurels.

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Most of the rest of it is some imaginary injustice about how we treated poor Chrétien and martin so unfairly.
Even at the media's most despicable, they've yet to show anything on par with Chrétien and his "benevolent dictatorship"

Case in point. Your imaginary media crusade for the Liberals and against Harper. Its obvious you only read sparingly and selectively.

BTW, dictator = majority in real people speak. harper shows every evidence of wanting to do just that with a majority.

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You missed Adscam, or was that just a triumph of entripenurialship?

You're a waste of time arguing with because you are so partisan and I'm glad others are seeing it.

On the contrary, we vilified it. We just realize that Martin and Chretien were found innocent by a very thorough and very publicly held self called inquiry.

You just dispute the results.

Keep trying though. Your little rant response just allowed me to use your very words to cement my point.

Thanks.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I was bitching about paul martin's plan to send Canadian bureaucrats over to China to meet their bureaucrats.
I'll still argue that because I can see no reason why it benefits Canada.

I doubt you could either, yet you defended it.
I believe you defended it simply because I was attacking paul martin.

Is that a reasonable reaction or knee jerk partisan behavior?

No, you did that and railed about China and used as evidence certain products with associated risks.

You hung the whole china connection on the Libs entriely with the opinion that we should have little or no contact with them because of risks (among other reasons) and blamed all connections on the Liberals.

harpers in charge and yet we don't see any move away from them do we?

Want to know why? The sizable trade surplus filling our coffers would be the reason of course.

I don't argue with applying whatever checks we need on their products but their society is their problem and their responsibility.

If you hold a no-contact opinion then thats fine. I can even see how that is a valid point and a valid strategy in dealing with a society that does things we are morally opposed to.

the problem is you seem to blame the Liberals and only the Liberals while Harper laughs all the way to the bank.

Face it. We are making money off them and when push comes to shove I think you will find far more conservatives the liberals are willing to over look that fact.

Suffice to say I have proven my points against you and still challenge you to find a single point where I cruelly hold the CPC to task for something i give the Libs a pass on.

Now provide evidence you can give credit where its due for actions the Liberals do that are good.

Now you make some time trying to cobble togeather a real response but unlike you I don't live on the forum.

I correct your next responses at a latter date. Chow.

[ridenrain]

In the meanwhile, while we're both still reloading, why don't you tell us you're opinion on Dion demanding another investigation of the Airbus affair.
You've been strangly silent on this and that's the usual sign that you're avoiding it. Here, we have you're attention.

[ridenrain]

Come on Derby? why so silent on this topic?

[DerbyX]

How about the fact that unlike you I don't sit at home collecting wellfare checks.

I'm a Liberal. I work hard and pay my taxes something that seems to annoy you cons.

Now I'll point out that this is just a giant red herring as you simply ignored my points and instead threw it back at me in an attempt to avoid answering the points addressed to you.

I'll answer you question in full but like I told Starcraft-the-wicked you have to answer first.

1) How do you feel about your hero booting Bill Casey, a respected MP, out for doing exactly what you said you admire most in politicians.

2) Answer to the point that even by your own words you only gave minor grumblings instead of hysterical ranting when Harper does exactly what the Liberals did. Afterall, if it was a despicable act of corruption under one then its the same under your hero stevie the goat-blower right?

Answer those questions which relate directly to your massive partisanship and you'll get your answer in detail.

BTW, Next time allow a reasonable amount of time for a response before falsely accusing someone of being silent.

[ridenrain]

What's with the personal attacks? Grow up.
I'll dump all over you're party but I don't dump on you because that's just stupid. For all the high horse morals some of you blather about, you're also the first to sling the shit.

Let's just go back to my last thread against China:
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... sc&start=0

This is my first line:

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I'd like to know who the hell thought it was a good idea for Canadian and Chinese bureaucrats to get together to discuss trade, investment, energy, and climate change. Isn't that the domain of foreign affairs, and why China? We have far more in common with the US or UK and we don't meet and discuss things wuith them.
Just another example of the Liberals pandering to their Chinese overlords.

And here's the last one:

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Let's try a little experiment:

here's the original:
Quote:
The committee - known as the Canada-China Strategic Working Group - was created under the Liberal government of Paul Martin in 2005. It was intended to be a regular meeting of deputy ministers to build on the "strategic partnership" that Canada and China had announced. Its early meetings dealt with a range of crucial bilateral issues, including trade, investment, energy, and climate change.

Here's the alternate.
Quote:
The committee - known as the Canada-US Strategic Working Group - was created under the Conservative government of Brian Mulroney in 1992. It was intended to be a regular meeting of deputy ministers to build on the "strategic partnership" that Canada and the United States had announced. Its early meetings dealt with a range of crucial bilateral issues, including trade, investment, energy, and climate change.


Would you welcome the second one as easy as the first, and if not, why not?
Like it or not, we have far more business and comonality with our southern friends than this foreign dictatorship that the CBC takes it's orders from.

Please let's not continue discussing that topic in this thread. This was a bad idea and bad policy and I wanted to make sure it was known. This is bad government and if the CPC did it, I'd bitch too.
We still send some $30 million to China because their peasants were starving back in the 60-70's. and I keep bitching about that too. I've written a couple letters to the gov and got no where.

Just the same when I reported how Li Ka-Shing bought TransAlta Power for $629M and a hospital, right before the gov. started to restrict the foreign ownership of stratigic resources. I even bumbed that thread and used it as an example but no one picked it up.

http://www.canadaka.net/news/26139-Li_K ... r_the_wire

There you go: I'm bitching against Harper dealing with China.
That's more than you've ever done against you're Liberals.

[DerbyX]

I don't like you.

I think that people like you are entirely the reason we have the problems we do in Canada with respect to east - west friction.

I think you typify what I find very common in Canada, in that most people expect far more then their gov't can give and simply ignore all the good things they have done seeking to hold bad examples up with far greater weight all in the name pf partisan politics.

The debt wizardry is absolute proof. Any honest and non-partisan person can see that the Liberals did what was absolutely necessary and they did it in a way that was designed to produce as rapid a turnaround with as little additional tax hikes and budget cuts as possible.

You guys all scream murder over BS nonesense about taking money from EI funds and/or pension plans but thats just partisan smoke and mirrors.

Hell, they did it in a way that most conservatives support wholeheartedly and were far more fiscally conservative then any gov't in the last 50 years including Harpers.

I hate the fact that they choose the absolute least possible partisan and the choice that benefitted everyone equally. They coulds have taken their surplus and simply poured it into "Liberal friendly" endeavours buying votes left and right but they didn't.

They, more then any other party or gov't, did something that was entirely for the good of the country as a whole. For that they get dumped on by partisan people like you who simply cannot adnit they did anything good.

I'm not interested in your latest red herring because all you are trying to do is not answer what you know will either force you to lie or admit that Harper has done something you have said you find reprehensible and tantamout to losing your support.

Its actually kinda clever switching to the china syndrome because not only do you avoid answering my direct questions you validify your dodge by not demanding I answer the question you threw at me.

Nice try. I want and answer. You made the bet and I raised. You can either call or fold (we've reached the raise limit). You choose.

BTW, You claim I don't recognize when you bitch about your own party but as can be plaining read in previous posted that has become "You don't complain anywhere near the same degree whne your side does it".

That fact is quite evident. As for me not taking my own party to task, well I did just that over gun registry and kyoto. You just weren't party to those debates.

Call or fold.

[hwacker]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I'm a Liberal. I work hard and pay my taxes something that seems to annoy you cons.