[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Save that tinfoil nomination for anyone who thinks that a hot summer is caused by global warming.

But how is that different than claiming an early onset of winter in Hay River is caused by global wamring?

[Zipperfish]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Hurley_108

$1:

Oh, so global warming causes winter?

Zipperfish could possibly explain this in mystical magical molecule terms but currently global warming isn't effecting weather because currently it does exist outside of computer climate models.
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Actually most Grade 9 students could explain to you why carbon dioxide is one of the greenhouse gases. I suppose Grade 9 sceince must be so advanced for you that it appears to be magic.

[sasquatch2]

Anybody smarter than a fifth grader would realize that CO2 AGW has been established to exist only in computer climate models and the minds of tin-foil haters.

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

Numure Numure:

Bart, Global Warming is very REAL. The cause of it is what is being debated (Co2 Emissions and all the other theories out there).

Everything is off balance. As such, mother nature isnt so predictable.

Global warming doesn't exist. That should mean it is warmer everywhere, and that is just not the case. Winters are getting colder, and summers warmer. More storms, and heavier storms. More rain in the deserts of Africa, which cools it there.

So Climate Change might exist, but that is definitely not the same.

Nature takes it course, and addepts to what's coming to her. She always did, she always will. Nothing man can do about it. The little bit of polution we as humans produce, is nothing compared to what nature produces itself. This has been happening over millions of years.

Oh well, another global warming - Gore loving thread. What else is new?

Not really. I started this thread so you should've been able to see where I was going.

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Did you hear about that study the two global warming guys did where they now say it's going to get cooler for the next 2 years, but after that there's a 50/50 chance it's going to warm to 1998 levels. In other words it will get warmer, or it won't, but it's still Anthropogenic Global Warming. Talk about hedging your bets.

Exactly. No matter what happens it'll be the fault of AGW.

Imagine having a hypothesis that's supported by any evidence.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Save that tinfoil nomination for anyone who thinks that a hot summer is caused by global warming.

But how is that different than claiming an early onset of winter in Hay River is caused by global wamring?

So an early onset of winter is not caused by AGW?

[Brenda]

$1:

Not really. I started this thread so you should've been able to see where I was going.

But it is what it turned out to be...

[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Not really. I started this thread so you should've been able to see where I was going.

But it is what it turned out to be...

Not really, I'm just getting started on having fun here.

See, the trap these poor folks have made for themselves is that by saying that AGW is the driving force in the climate then that means that every aspect of the climate must be affected by AGW.

They say we'll have stronger hurricanes because of AGW well, then that means that the winters have to be affected by AGW as well.

Logically, though, the winters should be warmer, not cooler with AGW. .

But to keep to their religious beliefs where AGW cannot be disproved by rationally observed phenomena then any unusual incident with the weather must be cause by AGW.

So unless AGW is pure hogwash, then the early freeze MUST be a symptom of AGW because, were it not, then that would lead to the conclusion that AGW is not having the global effect it is supposed to have and if it isn't affecting everything everywhere then it isn't true.

If this cooling trend goes on for thirty years, as did the last cooling trend, I kind of wonder how the AGW crowd will sustain their argument because since the 1990's their assumption is that the world MUST get warmer.

What happens to their precious assumptions when it doesn't?

[Numure]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Numure Numure:

Bart, Global Warming is very REAL. The cause of it is what is being debated (Co2 Emissions and all the other theories out there).

Everything is off balance. As such, mother nature isnt so predictable.

So AGW causes cooling, too, right?

Yes.

Edit:

Here's the Theory:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/thc/

[BartSimpson]

Numure Numure:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Numure Numure:

Bart, Global Warming is very REAL. The cause of it is what is being debated (Co2 Emissions and all the other theories out there).

Everything is off balance. As such, mother nature isnt so predictable.

So AGW causes cooling, too, right?

Yes.

And there we go. Thanks, Numure.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Save that tinfoil nomination for anyone who thinks that a hot summer is caused by global warming.

But how is that different than claiming an early onset of winter in Hay River is caused by global wamring?

So an early onset of winter is not caused by AGW?

You made the claim--you tell me.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Save that tinfoil nomination for anyone who thinks that a hot summer is caused by global warming.

But how is that different than claiming an early onset of winter in Hay River is caused by global wamring?

So an early onset of winter is not caused by AGW?

You made the claim--you tell me.

My work here is already done, thank you.

[kevlarman]

Oh I believe global warming to be real, I just don't know why it isn't seen as the cyclical weather pattern that usually befalls this planet every few dozen or so centuries. I kind of laugh at how Global Warming is talked about like some new phenomenom when the meteorlogical record clearly indicates that it isn't.

I mostly think the debate now is between two camps, one that believes it's mother nature's fault and one that believes it's man's fault. Where as I am in the camp of "who cares, it's happening so adapt". In all their research, why hasn't either side looked at the evidence that shows it's cyclical?

All I was pointing out earlier is that strange winter weather happens to Canada and Northern USA all the time. And how is the story pointing out something that older Canadians and Americans don't know already by just looking back into their memory and recalling even stranger weather happening before?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Not really. I started this thread so you should've been able to see where I was going.

But it is what it turned out to be...

Not really, I'm just getting started on having fun here.

See, the trap these poor folks have made for themselves is that by saying that AGW is the driving force in the climate then that means that every aspect of the climate must be affected by AGW.

They say we'll have stronger hurricanes because of AGW well, then that means that the winters have to be affected by AGW as well.

Logically, though, the winters should be warmer, not cooler with AGW. .

But to keep to their religious beliefs where AGW cannot be disproved by rationally observed phenomena then any unusual incident with the weather must be cause by AGW.

So unless AGW is pure hogwash, then the early freeze MUST be a symptom of AGW because, were it not, then that would lead to the conclusion that AGW is not having the global effect it is supposed to have and if it isn't affecting everything everywhere then it isn't true.

If this cooling trend goes on for thirty years, as did the last cooling trend, I kind of wonder how the AGW crowd will sustain their argument because since the 1990's their assumption is that the world MUST get warmer.

What happens to their precious assumptions when it doesn't?

Ther really is no trap.

You've demonstrated numerous times in the past that you are either unwilling or unable to grasp the fundamentals of climate change theory--a necessary precondition to arguing the science. And then, without even a basic understadning of the physics involved, you come on here with Samsquanch and your "bulletproof" logical findings and announce why it is that all of these thousands of scientists are wrong and you are right.

[Zipperfish]

Brenda Brenda:

Global warming doesn't exist.

But, as you demonstrated in the last thread, you can't even read a simple graph, so why should anyone take your pronouncement seriously.