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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

llama66 llama66:

Don't at all disagree, the Jury deliberated and did what they thought was right, based on the evidence the judge allowed to be heard.

My problem lies with the weak prosecution and the judge who, to me, was absolutely biased.

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Seemed to me from the beginning, that someone who brings a rifle (illegally) to a protest is looking for trouble.

Exactly - Rittenhouse was an asshole looking for trouble and got away with murdering two people, who may also have been violent assholes.

[PluggyRug]

Good result. Rittenhouse should now be given a tank and sent to all the BLM and Antifa riots to sort things out.
He should also go after the biased media who found him guilty long before the trial.

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[xerxes]

Not surprised at the verdict but still saddened. The jury was given a tough case to convict. The prosecutor sucked. The judge was working for the defense, the gun laws in the US all but encourage this kind of vigilante BS. And there will more of this now count on it. Every proud boy with a gun is going to pick a fight and gun people down when he gets his provocation.

One thing that the Rittenhouse trial throws into stark relief is a strongly held belief among a huge percentage of white conservatives that people protesting for Black lives should be killed, and that white conservatives should be allowed to personally do it.
They are protecting their right to self-defense as exclusive to white conservatives.

No white conservative with a gun can ever be deemed a threat worthy of self defense.

The immediate danger they clearly pose must always be deemed pre-facto AND post-facto self-defense.

Why did he carry a gun? Self defense.
Why did he shoot? Self defense.
What about the people he shot? They attacked.
Could THEY have attacked in self defense? No.
But he held a deadly weapon. Yes, for self defense.

To white conservatives, self-defense is their exclusive property.

[raydan]

I'm going to train, arm and organize groups and send them to Proud Boy (and the like) protests. Provoke as many as you can and then kill them if they react. The perfect crime.


Warning: only works in backward shithole countries like the good old USA

[Thanos]

Minor facts:

- in a country where anyone without a criminal record can possess a firearm as per their national constitutional rights, this "illegally crossed state lines" nonsense is utterly meaningless; Rittenhouse kept the gun in Wisconsin with a friend where it was perfectly legal for him possess it; it would have been "illegal" for him to be walking around with it in his home state of Illinois due to his age, but that means next to nothing because he didn't have possession of the rifle in that state; at no point did the rifle "cross state lines" so the haters really need to drop this line of argument because it's comprehensively irrelevant

- the bulk of the videos showed Rittenhouse being chased by the three rioters for several city blocks; he didn't shoot them during the chase and only opened fire when he had fallen, was on his back in a helpless position, and was being physically struck & threatened with a handgun; there's no way that even the the tightest of self-defense laws, even in liberal state, wouldn't apply to anyone in the same situation

- half of the nimrods out there enraged at the verdict are trying to justify the rioters by saying that Jacob Blake, the black guy who got shot by the Kenosha PD in the incident that triggered the rioting, "was murdered by pigs and the activists were just trying to get justice done for him"; Jacob Blake is alive & is in the process of suing the police, and will in all likelihood get a massive payout if his civil suit shows that it was a reckless or illegal police shooting

So, that's three basic facts right there that the most-enraged are ignoring, or are simply ignorant about, or know in full but simply don't care because "we're right, we're always right, and they're always wrong". Too bad for them that the legal system still depends on actual proof instead of being just another social foundation that will automatically cave in to whoever screams & whines the most.

Even an asshole like Rittenhouse has the right to defend himself, under American law, when he's being attacked & under apprehension of being killed by three assholes who are being as equally asshole-ish (or worse) than he was. And in court it's the details that matter, not the bloviating & self-righteous venting about social "justice". Case closed.

[rickc]

Thanos Thanos:

Minor facts:

- in a country where anyone without a criminal record can possess a firearm as per their national constitutional rights, this "illegally crossed state lines" nonsense is utterly meaningless; Rittenhouse kept the gun in Wisconsin with a friend where it was perfectly legal for him possess it; it would have been "illegal" for him to be walking around with it in his home state of Illinois due to his age, but that means next to nothing because he didn't have possession of the rifle in that state; at no point did the rifle "cross state lines" so the haters really need to drop this line of argument because it's comprehensively irrelevant

- the bulk of the videos showed Rittenhouse being chased by the three rioters for several city blocks; he didn't shoot them during the chase and only opened fire when he had fallen, was on his back in a helpless position, and was being physically struck & threatened with a handgun; there's no way that even the the tightest of self-defense laws, even in liberal state, wouldn't apply to anyone in the same situation

- half of the nimrods out there enraged at the verdict are trying to justify the rioters by saying that Jacob Blake, the black guy who got shot by the Kenosha PD in the incident that triggered the rioting, "was murdered by pigs and the activists were just trying to get justice done for him"; Jacob Blake is alive & is in the process of suing the police, and will in all likelihood get a massive payout if his civil suit shows that it was a reckless or illegal police shooting

So, that's three basic facts right there that the most-enraged are ignoring, or are simply ignorant about, or know in full but simply don't care because "we're right, we're always right, and they're always wrong". Too bad for them that the legal system still depends on actual proof instead of being just another social foundation that will automatically cave in to whoever screams & whines the most.

Even an asshole like Rittenhouse has the right to defend himself, under American law, when he's being attacked & under apprehension of being killed by three assholes who are being as equally asshole-ish (or worse) than he was. And in court it's the details that matter, not the bloviating & self-righteous venting about social "justice". Case closed.

What we need is more people like you serving on juries. People that can set aside their own feelings and prejudices and focus on the facts. This jury did a fantastic job. They looked at the facts.

As always I would rep if I could.

[Thanos]

Here's another point - if some guy from Antifa was attacked by a pack of Proud Boys and was in danger of getting beaten or shot to death then he too would have the exact same absolute right to fire his own gun at them in order to preserve his own life.

This is why I'm not touching any of the politics from either side with the Rittenhouse incident. A gang attack warrants an outsized response from the individual under attack.

PS: I want the good ol' boys in Georgia who murdered Ahmaud Arbery to spend the rest of their lives in prison. That entire disgusting attack has the reek of the Klan all over it and nothing justifies what they did to that poor guy.

[xerxes]

$1:

Even an asshole like Rittenhouse has the right to defend himself, under American law, when he's being attacked & under apprehension of being killed by three assholes who are being as equally asshole-ish (or worse) than he was. And in court it's the details that matter, not the bloviating & self-righteous venting about social "justice". Case closed.

That's a solid point, and it's not controversial to say that there were a lot of bad decisions made that night by people on all sides in Kenosha that night.

That said, to me, this is shades of the Zimmerman situation. Where someone put themselves in danger unnecessarily and then killed despite a power imbalance.

[Thanos]

That is true. Zimmermann happened as a result of self-defense being written too widely into law, especially when not too long after Zimmermann killed Trayvon Martin a black woman in Florida who shot the violently abusive husband who was coming to kill her had her stand-your-ground defense rejected and ended up in prison. Rittenhouse seems closer to a better balance as far as a verdict is concerned.

I still think though that the worst interpretations happen in supposedly "more-civilized-than-the-US" places like Canada and Britain. Here and in the UK you can be attacked inside your own home by a violent intruder and if you even slightly injure them in return, much less kill them, the state will come after you far worse than they ever will to the evil son of a bitch that broke in. That IMO is more horrible than what happens in the US because to me if you can't legally defend yourself in a situation that dire then the rest of your so-called rights are meaningless. That's the state telling you your rights and your life are expendable because a criminal in your abode should never be even slightly bruised or disheveled. Utter bullshit.

Saw some good comments elsewhere in regards to the "Rittenhouse shouldn't have even been out on the streets" narrative. They're right, he shouldn't have been. And the trash who were vandalizing and burning down Kenosha's downtown core as some sort of SJW cosplay/tantrum shouldn't have been out on the streets either. Seriously, fuck all of them, especially the white punk trash doing it to prove what good "allies" they are to the black communities.

[herbie]

This is what happens in a failed state.
Was 100% expected. White US redneck boy with "yee-haw, let's git 'em boys' on his mind and a loaded gun shoots unarmed people in self defense and gets away scot free. Dog bites man story.
And the usual retreads think he's a hero.

[raydan]

Seems that the only place in the world where people feel the need to arm themselves to the teeth to protect themselves is the only country that combines carry conceal/open and stand your ground. Kinda guarantees things like this will happen a lot.

[PluggyRug]

rickc rickc:

Thanos Thanos:

Minor facts:

- in a country where anyone without a criminal record can possess a firearm as per their national constitutional rights, this "illegally crossed state lines" nonsense is utterly meaningless; Rittenhouse kept the gun in Wisconsin with a friend where it was perfectly legal for him possess it; it would have been "illegal" for him to be walking around with it in his home state of Illinois due to his age, but that means next to nothing because he didn't have possession of the rifle in that state; at no point did the rifle "cross state lines" so the haters really need to drop this line of argument because it's comprehensively irrelevant

- the bulk of the videos showed Rittenhouse being chased by the three rioters for several city blocks; he didn't shoot them during the chase and only opened fire when he had fallen, was on his back in a helpless position, and was being physically struck & threatened with a handgun; there's no way that even the the tightest of self-defense laws, even in liberal state, wouldn't apply to anyone in the same situation

- half of the nimrods out there enraged at the verdict are trying to justify the rioters by saying that Jacob Blake, the black guy who got shot by the Kenosha PD in the incident that triggered the rioting, "was murdered by pigs and the activists were just trying to get justice done for him"; Jacob Blake is alive & is in the process of suing the police, and will in all likelihood get a massive payout if his civil suit shows that it was a reckless or illegal police shooting

So, that's three basic facts right there that the most-enraged are ignoring, or are simply ignorant about, or know in full but simply don't care because "we're right, we're always right, and they're always wrong". Too bad for them that the legal system still depends on actual proof instead of being just another social foundation that will automatically cave in to whoever screams & whines the most.

Even an asshole like Rittenhouse has the right to defend himself, under American law, when he's being attacked & under apprehension of being killed by three assholes who are being as equally asshole-ish (or worse) than he was. And in court it's the details that matter, not the bloviating & self-righteous venting about social "justice". Case closed.

What we need is more people like you serving on juries. People that can set aside their own feelings and prejudices and focus on the facts. This jury did a fantastic job. They looked at the facts.

As always I would rep if I could.

Got it for you

[xerxes]

herbie herbie:

This is what happens in a failed state.
Was 100% expected. White US redneck boy with "yee-haw, let's git 'em boys' on his mind and a loaded gun shoots unarmed people in self defense and gets away scot free. Dog bites man story.
And the usual retreads think he's a hero.

He’s already booked for Monday on the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour for what will likely be his canonization. Followed by his announcement that’s he’s running for Congress.

[raydan]

Human life used to have value in the before time. Now, it seems that the only value it has is political. There are a lot of idiots out there who don't care at all about the people who got killed, and the killer is a fucking hero. Me, I just hope that Karma rears its ugly head in the worst way possible.

Oh, I forgot to say that his "supporters" can all go to hell.