[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

On Parliament Hill, for the reasons I already listed? Yes, it's hard to believe. Security there won't be like policing out in the boondocks sometimes is.

I'm not talking about just the security on the Hill. I'm talking about all the interactions that a person in the North has that colour their perceptions about the government.

She likely had a long history of mistrust before she got to the Hill, and being followed around by security, whether usual or not, would do little to reassure her. Remember from where she is from, a small community where everyone know everyone. The smallest of things can be taken out of proportion, and leave with a feeling of persecution.

llama66 llama66:

But it doesn't, if she refused or was unable to produce ID she'd be physically removed. It's the same in any institutional building. This is Security 101.

Like I wrote, I won't discount anyone's experiences. Just because I understand the nature of physical security, doesn't mean she does.

[Thanos]

Sounds entirely like more whining from another Zoomer who genuinely believes all the tedious things like rules absolutely do not apply to her. And she's also more than willing to bring race into any sort of a dispute to nuke any dissent against her.

[llama66]

No one is asking you to discount her experiences. She's wrong, she's acting like an entitled child because she got stopped by security. As a Security Manager, if a member of my team had not challenged her, and not been ready to remove her, they'd be fired about 1 minute after I read the incident report.

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

No one is asking you to discount her experiences. She's wrong, she's acting like an entitled child because she got stopped by security. As a Security Manager, if a member of my team had not challenged her, and not been ready to remove her, they'd be fired about 1 minute after I read the incident report.

If that were her only experience, I might agree. And if it didn't happen to others, I might also agree.

From the Article:

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The experience has taught her "as a brown woman, do not move too quickly or suddenly, do not raise your voice, do not make a scene, maintain eye contact and don't hide your hands."

Qaqqaq said she has heard many "pretty words" about reconciliation, diversity and inclusion, but they have proven to be largely empty.

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Liberal MP Navdeep Bains, who stepped down as a cabinet minister earlier this year after deciding not to seek re-election, told the Commons he's had similar run-ins with racial prejudice.

He recounted how a "very senior" Liberal advised him not to put his photo in his brochures during his first campaign in Mississauga-Malton in 2004 — advice he did not take.

"I wasn't going to hide my identity or conceal who I was," said Bains, a practising Sikh who wears a turban.

[llama66]

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The experience has taught her "as a brown woman, do not move too quickly or suddenly, do not raise your voice, do not make a scene, maintain eye contact and don't hide your hands."

Decorum, you don't shout or cause disturbance in public anyway. Maintaining Eye-contact is pretty critical part of how we in the west communicate. The hiding of hands makes most people uneasy.

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Qaqqaq said she has heard many "pretty words" about reconciliation, diversity and inclusion, but they have proven to be largely empty.

1. Opinion,
2. Government.

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Liberal MP Navdeep Bains, who stepped down as a cabinet minister earlier this year after deciding not to seek re-election, told the Commons he's had similar run-ins with racial prejudice.

General statement, be more specific.

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He recounted how a "very senior" Liberal advised him not to put his photo in his brochures during his first campaign in Mississauga-Malton in 2004 — advice he did not take.

Who? General references to un-named persons often are not true. Drop the name if you want the complaint to hold water.

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"I wasn't going to hide my identity or conceal who I was," said Bains, a practising Sikh who wears a turban.

Again, who told him to conceal his identity, he's Sikh, not superman.

People who make vague complaints really make me leery about about their validity.

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

People who make vague complaints really make me leery about about their validity.

People who make specific complaints get ostracized and accepted to the Liberal party.

[llama66]

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I remember one [time] in particular where I was going to the West Block. And the doors that MPs walk in, you walk by a booth and then you pass by a set of doors and there's another security guard on the other side of the booth. So I was walking to the House one time and to Question Period, and I saw the security guy in the booth, and he gave me a nod, so I gave him a nod. And I was like: Great. Like, I make eye contact with him. Great. Like, I'm good. He knows who I am and I don't have to worry.

Usually I always have my headphones in because I'm trying to pump myself up with Snotty Nose Rez Kids and get myself mentally prepared to speak in the House of Commons ... and I'm listening to music, but I can hear and feel heavy steps and vibration, as if somebody's jogging after me. And I knew it was happening and that there was a second security guard.

So [I] slowly take out my headphones, slowly turn, make sure that I'm not moving too fast, I'm not going to make a scene. And he says, like, "Do you have ID? You need to be basically screened to be in here." And I'm fumbling through my purse looking for my MP card and I don't have it on me that day. And I was like, "Oh my goodness." And he eventually realized and I think felt a bit silly. But how intimidating is that, to have these big, heavy footsteps behind me?

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as ... -1.6068158

So yeah, the guard gaffed a little. But he was still doing his job. In doubt? Challenge. Personally, I've denied access to people I KNOW are CEO's of fairly large Corporations because they have forgotten their badge. No card, no access. Simple. Don't give a single shit who you are. You could have been fired, if I grant you access; I'll get fired too.

[Thanos]

I'd say that both the Parliamentary office in charge of such things and the NDP caucus as well both majorly dropped the ball if they didn't make sure any new MP's were made thoroughly familiar with security procedures. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jagmeet Singh didn't care in the slightest either if his MPs were unaware of the requirements just because he'd genuinely love a security incident to happen with a non-white MP so he could exploit it to the maximum. That guy is basically a Canadian version of Al Sharpton waiting to pounce on even the smallest thing to satisfy his base.

[Zipperfish]

This country was built on the backs of the Indigenous peoples. Smallpox decimated native populations and destroyed societies, wave after wave. Smallpox was also likely used as a weapon of war. Then came treaties, which it's fair to say, the Indigenous peoples did not understand. Then came the reserve system, the failure to provide basic human rights afforded colonizers. Then programs of cultural genocide aiming to completely obliterate, to "kill the Indian in them." Then the residential school system--not just the harrowing tales of what went on in those corridors, but how it further destroyed their way of life. Then the 60s Scoop. And a national police force whose very job it was to keep the natives in obeisance. And always the casual racism, and the absurd notion that "Haven't we done enough for you? How much more money do you want?" We have to accept this. That racism is still here; we have to end it.

We have to reconcile and give Indigenous peoples control over their own destiny, within the bounds of this thing called Canada. One thing we can do is just listen, and not interrupt by saying "but...but..but."

[Thanos]

Carrying an ID badge in the most important building of our government really isn't a lot to ask for.

[Scape]

Straws can also break camels backs I hear.

[llama66]

That works both ways

[Scape]

Fair point, like that reservist who drove his truck loaded with weapons into Rideau Hall.

Good thing he was white am I right? He should have been shot dead for even trying that.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

This country was built on the backs of the Indigenous peoples.

Your opinion.


-J.

[llama66]

Scape Scape:

Fair point, like that reservist who drove his truck loaded with weapons into Rideau Hall.

Good thing he was white am I right? He should have been shot dead for even trying that.

Grow up, that has never been claimed or even alluded to... at all. You can put the race card back in the deck.

Making issues about colour, and not actions ensures everything is racialized.

Right now all I see is I'm _______ and this is unfair because I'm ________.

This victimhood culture will be our downfall.