[BeaverFever]

FACT: Nobody on the left has ever said “Muslims are always innocent, and if they do anything bad it's just some white guy's fault anyway"

However you only need to look up a few posts in thread to find a conservative essentially saying ‘all Muslims are terrorists’ as they have every day since 9/11.

So the alleged left narrative is an invented fiction while yhe right wing narrative is very real.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

The media is in love with the former narrative, as much as they are with "Muslims are always innocent, and if they do anything bad it's just some white guy's fault anyway" one. Don't expect this to ever end, because the extreme left is as much responsible for the identity wars as the crazies on the hard right are.

Literally no one says that. Also, the fringe are the only ones who say all white males are evil. If you can't tell the difference, then that's your problem.

[Thanos]

It's around us all the time. Your denying it exists doesn't make it not real.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

It's around us all the time. Your denying it exists doesn't make it not real.

Your inventing it doesn’t make it real.

[fifeboy]

Thanos Thanos:

It's around us all the time. Your denying it exists doesn't make it not real.

Wrong!

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

It's around us all the time. Your denying it exists doesn't make it not real.

Find me one person who says muslims are always innocent and if they do something bad it's the white people's fault.

[Thanos]

1) the mass media's been downplaying the role Islam has in Muslim terrorism, and has been doing so since long before Sept 11, 2001
2) the media, social media, and the universities have been making a prolonged attempt to justify Muslim anger as being solely due to colonialism, and not from any internal social/cultural/religious pathologies that have always existed inside Islam
3) at the same time there's been a massive shift towards assigning collective guilt for pretty much every problem in the world today onto anyone of British/European/American (aka white) descent
4) the rise of the alt-right reaction against political correctness began pretty much in exact sequence with the rise of anti-whiteness on the left
5) for all their previous obsessions with economics the left has been rather blasé about the existence of the privilege of wealth, and instead chosen to concentrate on the fantasy of the privilege of whites, in defiance of the actual reality that middle and working class whites are as likely to become victims of the rich as much as any visible minority it

The left plays the same race game as the right does, it just hides it's own demonization of entire groups as being part of the expansion of "justice".

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

1) the mass media's been downplaying the role Islam has in Muslim terrorism, and has been doing so since long before Sept 11, 2001

BULLSHIT

Also this is not an example this is just another claim offered up by you

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2) the media, social media, and the universities have been making a prolonged attempt to justify Muslim anger as being solely due to colonialism, and not from any internal social/cultural/religious pathologies that have always existed inside Islam

EXAGGERATION. I don’t know if they’ve ever said ‘solely’ due to colonialism. Those pathologies are inside all religions, Christians used to behave the same way and not as long ago as you would like to think. The correct question is why have those societies not overcome their religious pathologies and in fact even regressed from more liberal societies that exited just a few decades ago? A big part of the answer is the rising economic influence of ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia. Don’t mistake analysis for sympathy.

Also this is not an example this is just another claim offered up by you

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3) at the same time there's been a massive shift towards assigning collective guilt for pretty much every problem in the world today onto anyone of British/European/American (aka white) descent

EXAGGERATION. Self-explanatory.

Also this is not an example this is just another claim offered up by you

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4) the rise of the alt-right reaction against political correctness began pretty much in exact sequence with the rise of anti-whiteness on the left

Mostly true, except calling it “anti-whiteness” is an exaggeration

$1:

5) for all their previous obsessions with economics the left has been rather blasé about the existence of the privilege of wealth, and instead chosen to concentrate on the fantasy of the privilege of whites, in defiance of the actual reality that middle and working class whites are as likely to become victims of the rich as much as any visible minority

MOSTLY FALSE

I haven’t noticed any decline in the left’s rant against the 1% That’s pretty much standard stuff. The ‘cultural appropriation’ ‘ white privilege’ stuff is a new addition to the repertoire but not at the expense of the more traditional content White privilege is not a fantasy, you can be poor and still have white privilege for example not being constantly hassled and searched by police.

[Thanos]

Spend some time on Twitter. Like the other day when the most-recent mass shooting in the US happened. Within minutes it was full of the usual "another white guy" and "white guy will probably get away with it - AGAIN!" crap. All of which came to a sudden end when it turned out the killer was a black guy.

Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean it's not there. I've read enough history to know a campaign of collective demonization when I see one. And it can just as easily be conducted by the media and university faculties working "on behalf" of minorities as it can be by a cultural/racial majority using the apparatus of the state. One glimmer of hope is out there in that for a large number of minorities this propaganda from the "activists" just isn't working on them. In the US, for example, Joe Biden has been demonized beyond belief by the "woke" left for everything from being a racist to an accomplice-in-rape (due to the Clarence Thomas hearings) but a majority in both the black and Latino communities support him as the best possible Dem candidate to beat the shit out of Trump in the election.

Just another example of the internet and insta-communication making things that much worse with the way that the most extreme of voices make the most use of the new media to make themselves look stronger and more numerous than they actually are. As with the alt-Reichers & Trump thugs, so too with the "woke" and the anti-white.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Spend some time on Twitter.

Well, there's your problem.

[Tricks]

So no evidence of it being said then.

[llama66]

Fighter Fighter:

Thanos Thanos:

The only mistake in all of this episode was in apologizing because the truth should never be apologized for. If anything it needed to be doubled-down on and not an inch given on this issue. Let me now when all the white "supremacist" violence reaches the same death toll that Sept 11, the San Bernardino massacre, and the Pulse nightclub shooting had and I'll start giving a damn about hurt Muslim feelings. Until then though quit fucking coddling them.

When you sleep with extremists, you get what you got.

Shouldn't have supported and brainwashed extremists just to end Soviet Empire.

Pot meet kettle.

[llama66]

Personally, I feel it was fine to quote the manifesto. He was putting to context and stating the published motive of the New Zealand shooter. He wasn't preaching like the gospel, he was referencing it like it was meant to be.

It's easy to categorize him as some crazed right-wing monster, but not everyone fits neatly into some box we've labeled for them.

Mr. Cooper gave his opinion, and expressed himself. Mr. Suri was offended. Such is life. I grow tired of the attempts to stifle free speech in the west.

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

Personally, I feel it was fine to quote the manifesto. He was putting to context and stating the published motive of the New Zealand shooter. He wasn't preaching like the gospel, he was referencing it like it was meant to be.

It's easy to categorize him as some crazed right-wing monster, but not everyone fits neatly into some box we've labeled for them.

Mr. Cooper gave his opinion, and expressed himself. Mr. Suri was offended. Such is life. I grow tired of the attempts to stifle free speech in the west.

Was it free speech though? Free speech ends when another's safety is compromised. Quoting a guy who killed a bunch of people because they were Muslim, to a Muslim might be considered a threat.

And that shooter's manifesto was far from coherent. It was more a collection of random things other people said, rather than a manifesto. Cherry picking from that manifesto to make a point is beneath a public official. Instead of quoting that the shooter liked a Communist government, why not pick the quotes he wrote from the Norwegian shooter? Or the 'white nationalist' Coast Guard Lieutenant who was going to also carry out a mass shooting?

In any case, quoting a mass shooter is incredibly inappropriate. What's next, Mein Kampf? Cooper wasn't giving any 'context' to the problem, he was repeating tropes that he thinks explain the unexplainable. Then again, so was Suri.

Mass shooters are not 'left' or 'right'. They are 'fucking evil'.

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

llama66 llama66:

Personally, I feel it was fine to quote the manifesto. He was putting to context and stating the published motive of the New Zealand shooter. He wasn't preaching like the gospel, he was referencing it like it was meant to be.

It's easy to categorize him as some crazed right-wing monster, but not everyone fits neatly into some box we've labeled for them.

Mr. Cooper gave his opinion, and expressed himself. Mr. Suri was offended. Such is life. I grow tired of the attempts to stifle free speech in the west.

Was it free speech though? Free speech ends when another's safety is compromised. Quoting a guy who killed a bunch of people because they were Muslim, to a Muslim might be considered a threat.

And that shooter's manifesto was far from coherent. It was more a collection of random things other people said, rather than a manifesto. Cherry picking from that manifesto to make a point is beneath a public official. Instead of quoting that the shooter liked a Communist government, why not pick the quotes he wrote from the Norwegian shooter? Or the 'white nationalist' Coast Guard Lieutenant who was going to also carry out a mass shooting?

In any case, quoting a mass shooter is incredibly inappropriate. What's next, Mein Kampf? Cooper wasn't giving any 'context' to the problem, he was repeating tropes that he thinks explain the unexplainable. Then again, so was Suri.

Mass shooters are not 'left' or 'right'. They are 'fucking evil'.

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I bet Mr. Cooper and his fellow Conservative MPs would go ballistic if someone on that committee read into the record some BS from Mao's Little Red Book or some other equally vile socialist manifesto that caused untold deaths and suffering.

This was inappropriate as hell and pretty unparliamentary.