[Robair]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 129480002/

I will not go for a ride in one of these. Nope.

I used to fly, have just over 200 hrs as pilot in command.

[llama66]

The Brits just banned all 737-MAX-8's from entering British Airspace.

[Robair]

Don't worry, WestJet and Air Canada say everything's fine.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

Its the result of some egghead over engineering a simple mechanism.

It's the result of some egghead thinking that his computer is a better pilot than an actual pilot....and what you said.

[stratos]

Reading this and with what Robair said about the stall warning system.... WTF is wrong with people. IF something works Why mess with it and screw it up this badly. Egghead who came up with this won't even be found out to put the blame or at least partial blame on for this MAJOR screw up.

[peck420]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Its the result of some egghead over engineering a simple mechanism.

It's the result of some egghead thinking that his computer is a better pilot than an actual pilot....and what you said.

Actually, you are both wrong.

This is caused because executives made a decision in the name of cost, and assumed that the eggheads software would overcome any ramifications of the decision.

From Robair's source:

$1:

Boeing added MCAS after redesigning its 737 platform for the Max. The redesign changed the size and placement of the aircraft’s engines, which altered how the jet handled in flight.

This decision would have never been made by an egghead, only an executive (a high up one) would have the power to make this call.

[llama66]

peck420 peck420:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

llama66 llama66:

Its the result of some egghead over engineering a simple mechanism.

It's the result of some egghead thinking that his computer is a better pilot than an actual pilot....and what you said.

Actually, you are both wrong.

This is caused because executives made a decision in the name of cost, and assumed that the eggheads software would overcome any ramifications of the decision.

From Robair's source:

$1:

Boeing added MCAS after redesigning its 737 platform for the Max. The redesign changed the size and placement of the aircraft’s engines, which altered how the jet handled in flight.

This decision would have never been made by an egghead, only an executive (a high up one) would have the power to make this call.

I disagree. An Executive did not design the MCAS system... an engineer did. An Aerospace Architect designed the aircraft with the MCAS system, and another aerospace engineer would have agreed. The Executive just approved the design and ordered it into production. Remember a lot of these Executives were not necessarily from the aerospace industry, many are MBA's who know how to run companies. They wouldn't know the first fucking thing about aircraft.

[peck420]

llama66 llama66:

I disagree. An Executive did not design the MCAS system... an engineer did. An Aerospace Architect designed the aircraft with the MCAS system, and another aerospace engineer would have agreed. The Executive just approved the design and ordered it into production. Remember a lot of these Executives were not necessarily from the aerospace industry, many are MBA's who know how to run companies. They wouldn't know the first fucking thing about aircraft.

Scope, design limits, and failure rates/limitations of the project are all determined by execs. The engineers and egg heads make it happen.

Execs also sign off on any criteria that is borderline, usually (hopefully) on case by case basis.

[Robair]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ing-update

Well, Americans can get ready to bail out another manufacturer....

[stratos]

Robair Robair:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-12/repercussions-spread-as-singapore-australia-act-boeing-update

Well, Americans can get ready to bail out another manufacturer....

I want a bail out of 3.5 Million. Think the Gov would do that for me. Why in the hell do we keep bailing out these companies. I know it's a huge economic issue with peoples jobs and towns being economically healthy. Yet at the same time business fail every day. If a few of the big ones fail we might get more businesses to take their place and thus they would be more competitive. This IMO would help growth and productivity far more then bailing out Giant companies that will need bailing out again in 15-20 yrs.

[PluggyRug]

Robair Robair:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/11/boeing-737-max-safety-system-differs/3129480002/

I will not go for a ride in one of these. Nope.

I used to fly, have just over 200 hrs as pilot in command.

Same here, I have thousands of hours in sailplanes, you learn how to actually hear a stall condition.

[Robair]

Cool.

Have about 20 hrs in Air Cadet gliders.

That was a LONG time ago.

[llama66]

400 hours in MS-Flight Sim X and IL-2 Strumovik

[raydan]

If God had wanted us to fly, we'd have wings.

[PluggyRug]

Robair Robair:

PDT_Armataz_01_34 Cool.

Have about 20 hrs in Air Cadet gliders.

That was a LONG time ago.

That's how I started in the ATC (England) mostly Slingsby Cadet trainers.