[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If I accused the guy of raping your little sister I have no doubt that I could get a conviction because he's a racist, a white supremacist, a Nazi, a big meanie, he has tattoos, and etc.

So the testimony of him being seen driving the car before it hit the crowd, him driving the car to get away, and then being pulled out of the car by the police mean absolutely nothing to you. The jury wasn't just rigged and the judge isn't just corrupt. The driver/murderer never should have been put on trial at all. This was just all witch-hunt and a Soviet-grade show-trial.

Check. I get it completely. All that matters to you is ideology and whoever shares an ideology with you is free to do whatever they want whenever they want to whoever they want. Law, order, behaving in a social manner that doesn't endanger others, and personal responsibility in general are dead and non-applicable concepts to you. If you hate them then feel entirely free to do what you want to them because it's only your feelings that matter. My previous compliment to you is withdrawn.

[raydan]

Thanos Thanos:

Why is there this automatic assumption that the jury either fucked up, was pursuing a political agenda of their own, or was corrupted by being exposed to media coverage about Charlottesville?

I can't understand why some people will protect their own, no matter how much of a monster he is.

[Thanos]

raydan raydan:

Thanos Thanos:

Why is there this automatic assumption that the jury either fucked up, was pursuing a political agenda of their own, or was corrupted by being exposed to media coverage about Charlottesville?

I can't understand why some people will protect their own, no matter how much of a monster he is.

Even the Nuremburg trials had defendants and testimony for the defendants that didn't consist of much more than "we were all just following orders". Now, today, it's an entirely different sort of nihilism. It's an actual "we're innocent of everything we do and we're so above any of your petty laws or rules that we're untouchable - social responsibility simply does not apply to us at all".

Hope someone knows how to deal with that kind of belief system these maniacs and their supporters have because I certainly don't.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Hope someone knows how to deal with that kind of belief system these maniacs and their supporters have because I certainly don't.

Let them be. Don't feed them, that's what they want. People who only want attention die of loneliness.

But look on the bright side; these are just the State charges he was facing. Trials for the Federal charges are upcoming, and some of those carry the penalty of death.

[BeaverFever]

Fiddle has already made clear that Heyer died of natural causes completely unrelated to the fact she was hit by a speeding car seconds before. The fact that this “very fine person “ was charged and convicted just shows how far the liberal conspiracy goes.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

Thanos Thanos:

Why is there this automatic assumption that the jury either fucked up, was pursuing a political agenda of their own, or was corrupted by being exposed to media coverage about Charlottesville?

I can't understand why some people will protect their own, no matter how much of a monster he is.

I am not protecting anyone. I'm simply noting that there was an absence of due process in this case and if an appeals court sees it the same way then don't be disappointed when his sentence or conviction gets modified or even overturned.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But look on the bright side; these are just the State charges he was facing. Trials for the Federal charges are upcoming, and some of those carry the penalty of death.

True, but a Federal judge (liberal or conservative) won't allow the premeditation of this specific act to be presented based upon the reposting of an internet meme.

The circumstances of the event uphold 2nd Degree murder because a case can be made that his frame of mind lent itself to commit the crime.

First Degree can't be made because the street was not scheduled to be blocked off therefore when he entered that street he could not have known the crowd would be there. Neither did the drivers in the vehicles he hit know that the street would be blocked by a protest.

Is he of a murderous mind set? Yes.

Could he have planned this crime? No.

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I am not protecting anyone. I'm simply noting that there was an absence of due process in this case and if an appeals court sees it the same way then don't be disappointed when his sentence or conviction gets modified or even overturned.

If he was a Muslim or some crazy Lefty running over Nazi protesters, I'm sure due process wouldn't be a problem...

...just saying.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I am not protecting anyone. I'm simply noting that there was an absence of due process in this case and if an appeals court sees it the same way then don't be disappointed when his sentence or conviction gets modified or even overturned.

If he was a Muslim or some crazy Lefty running over Nazi protesters, I'm sure due process wouldn't be a problem...

...just saying.

I don't know if you've noticed but I am a stickler for due process and not convicting people of crimes based upon hysteria.

If this guy were anyone else doing this I'd say the same:

2nd Degree murder or manslaughter, yes.

1st Degree murder, no.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

raydan raydan:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I am not protecting anyone. I'm simply noting that there was an absence of due process in this case and if an appeals court sees it the same way then don't be disappointed when his sentence or conviction gets modified or even overturned.

If he was a Muslim or some crazy Lefty running over Nazi protesters, I'm sure due process wouldn't be a problem...

...just saying.

I don't know if you've noticed but I am a stickler for due process and not convicting people of crimes based upon hysteria.

If this guy were anyone else doing this I'd say the same:

2nd Degree murder or manslaughter, yes.

1st Degree murder, no.

I would think they're applying the case of Felony murder here, which also falls under the umbrella of first-degree. Haven't read anything about the case so don't know if that's what was argued/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

Driving car into the crowd is a felony, he killed someone doing so, as a result, felony murder.

[llama66]

Kinda have to side with Bart here, Murder 1 is premeditated and intentional, Murder 2 is not premeditated and intentional. I suspect they chose M1 to see if he'll plead out, take M2 and do life without parole in exchange for the death penalty coming off the table, and no real trial. Otherwise they'll go to trial and convict on M2, and he'll be eligible for parole in the year 2449.

Its not Manslaughter though. He intended to use the car to cause damage, and injure.

[Tricks]

llama66 llama66:

Kinda have to side with Bart here, Murder 1 is premeditated and intentional, Murder 2 is not premeditated and intentional. I suspect they chose M1 to see if he'll plead out, take M2 and do life without parole in exchange for the death penalty coming off the table, and no real trial. Otherwise they'll go to trial and convict on M2, and he'll be eligible for parole in the year 2449.

Its not Manslaughter though. He intended to use the car to cause damage, and injure.

And yet, felony murder is a thing on the law books in 46 states. Agree with it or not, it does apply.

[fifeboy]

Donny can pardon him.

[llama66]

Tricks Tricks:

llama66 llama66:

Kinda have to side with Bart here, Murder 1 is premeditated and intentional, Murder 2 is not premeditated and intentional. I suspect they chose M1 to see if he'll plead out, take M2 and do life without parole in exchange for the death penalty coming off the table, and no real trial. Otherwise they'll go to trial and convict on M2, and he'll be eligible for parole in the year 2449.

Its not Manslaughter though. He intended to use the car to cause damage, and injure.

And yet, felony murder is a thing on the law books in 46 states. Agree with it or not, it does apply.

That's usually if someone dies during the commission of an offence... We have a similar rule here.

[BartSimpson]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Donny can pardon him.

Not of the state charges. Only the Federal charges and that's highly unlikely as Trump is not keen on people who hate his Jewish daughter and grandkids.