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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:04 pm
Coach85 Coach85: Terrible display of sportsmanship from Williams...and then pull the gender card? Gross.
You got outplayed. Twice in a row by Osaka. It's not the umpires fault or is it the fault of your gender. ^ This. She may have gotten a couple bad calls, but she also admitted she was cheating by getting coaching from the stands, so as far as I'm concerned, she deserved to lose.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:04 pm
And she did. And admitted she lost. And accepted that she lost, even showed some class and admonished the booing louts in the crowd. Which is what the quoted headline and fiddledog's post is about, not her behaviour. That's another story. And I can't help but agree, no male player ever got nailed like that or told what he could wear on the court FFS. Some people just don't like her, and never gonna accept her accomplishments.
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Coach85
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:05 pm
MeganC MeganC: Serena did not have a right to win the game just because she's black. And no one wants to say this but everyone knows it's true! What a load of trash that was.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:35 am
Coach85 Coach85: MeganC MeganC: Serena did not have a right to win the game just because she's black. And no one wants to say this but everyone knows it's true! What a load of trash that was. I agree that this is too simplistic. What I see is a sense of entitlement crashing up against the reality that you actually have to win the game to get the victory. And while I didn't see the black card being played here I would also agree from my own perspective that American black people tend to have a greater sense of entitlement than, say, Jamaican black folks like Usain Bolt. I'm not the only one to notice this entitlement behavior. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tenni ... ished.html$1: MARTIN SAMUEL: This wasn't #MeToo... It was just me, me, me. Sexism? No, Serena Williams was rightly punished for her entitled tantrum at the women's US Open final
Even given the overwhelming sense of entitlement of many at the pinnacle of modern sport, Serena Williams' cry that she ‘has a daughter’ when required to abide by an umpire’s ruling, takes some beating.
Alexis Olympia is one year and nine days old and her mommy is frequently lauded for that achievement. She has balanced motherhood, and a difficult pregnancy, with returning swiftly to the top of her profession at the age of 36, and the acclaim has been universal.
So Serena Williams has a daughter and a demanding job that she is brilliant at, but then so do a great many women. But it’s a baby, not a get out of jail free card. Babies are not hard to come by. There are between 40 million and 1.2 billion sperm cells per healthy male ejaculation and approximately half of the planet is female. So your daughter isn’t special and neither are you for having her, and she certainly isn’t some golden ticket permitting tantrums when a call doesn’t go your way on the tennis court.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:49 am
Any given Sunday. Its a sport, its sucks when you lose, but it motivates you not to lose next time. Serena is a spoiled little brat.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:16 am
llama66 llama66: Any given Sunday. Its a sport, its sucks when you lose, but it motivates you not to lose next time. Serena is a spoiled little brat. I suspect that Serena has now hit the apogee of her career and that it's going to be all downhill from here.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:25 am
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: "Naomi Osaka, 20 years old, just became the first player from Japan to win a Grand Slam.
Yet rather than cheer Osaka, the crowd, the commentators and US Open officials all expressed shock and grief that Serena Williams lost."$1: Osaka spent what should have been her victory lap in tears. It had been her childhood dream to make it to the US Open and possibly play against Williams, her idol, in the final.
It’s hard to recall a more unsportsmanlike event.
Here was a young girl who pulled off one of the greatest upsets ever, who fought for every point she earned, ashamed.
At the awards ceremony, Osaka covered her face with her black visor and cried. The crowd booed her. Katrina Adams, chairman and president of the USTA, opened the awards ceremony by denigrating the winner and lionizing Williams — whose ego, if anything, needs piercing.
“Perhaps it’s not the finish we were looking for today,” Adams said, “but Serena, you are a champion of all champions.” Addressing the crowd, Adams added, “This mama is a role model and respected by all.”
That’s not likely the case now, not after the world watched as Serena Williams had a series of epic meltdowns on the court, all sparked when the umpire warned her: No coaching from the side. Her coach was making visible hand signals.
“I don’t cheat to win,” Williams told him. “I’d rather lose.”
She couldn’t let it go, going back multiple times to berate the umpire. At one point she called him a thief.
“You stole a point from me!” she yelled.
After her loss, Williams’s coach admitted to ESPN that he had, in fact, been coaching from the stands, a code violation. The warning was fair.
Everything that followed is on Williams, who is no stranger to tantrums. Most famously, she was tossed from the US Open in 2009 after telling the line judge, “I swear to God I’ll take the f—king ball and shove it down your f—king throat.” John McEnroe was taken aback. Even Williams’s mother Oracene Price couldn’t defend her daughter’s outburst.
SEE ALSO Serena Williams gestures toward chair umpire Carlos Ramos during her U.S. Open final loss. Serena has mother of all meltdowns in US Open final loss “She could have kept her cool,” Price said.
On Saturday, she also could have tried to be gracious in defeat. No matter how her fans try to spin this, Williams was anything but. Upon accepting her finalist award, she gave parsimonious praise to her competitor while telling the crowd she felt their pain.
“Let’s try to make this the best moment we can,” she said in part, “and we’ll get through it . . . let’s not boo anymore. We’re gonna get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi.”
Osaka accepted her trophy while choking back tears. She never smiled. When asked if her childhood dream of playing against Williams matched the reality, she politely sidestepped the question.
“I’m sorry,” Osaka said. “I know that everyone was cheering for her and I’m sorry it had to end like this.”
She turned to Williams. “I’m really grateful I was able to play with you,” Osaka said. “Thank you.” She bowed her head to Williams, and Williams just took it — no reciprocation, no emotion.
Osaka, a young player at the beginning of her career, showed grit, determination and maturity on that court and off.
She earned that trophy. Let’s recall that this wasn’t Osaka’s first victory over Williams — she beat Williams back in March, causing a hiccup in that great comeback narrative.
Osaka earned her moment as victor at the US Open, one that should have been pure joy. If anything was stolen during this match, it was that. Great article, N_Fiddledog and right on point. Even today the stories are all about Naomi's opponent - article upon newscast upon story. Not a one about the winner of the match.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:27 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: llama66 llama66: Any given Sunday. Its a sport, its sucks when you lose, but it motivates you not to lose next time. Serena is a spoiled little brat. I suspect that Serena has now hit the apogee of her career and that it's going to be all downhill from here. One can always hope, Bart.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:32 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:17 am
herbie herbie: And she did. And admitted she lost. And accepted that she lost, even showed some class and admonished the booing louts in the crowd. Which is what the quoted headline and fiddledog's post is about, not her behaviour. That's another story. And I can't help but agree, no male player ever got nailed like that or told what he could wear on the court FFS. Some people just don't like her, and never gonna accept her accomplishments. Chris Everett was announcing that match and she explained it on the spot. Male players do the same stuff, they berate judges, throw tantrums, call names etc. But they stop after their 1st or 2nd warning. Serena kept going and going and going. That's the difference.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:28 am
She's no John McEnroe. She should know better.
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