[N_Fiddledog]

Three Words:

Doctor Shakil Afridi

Pakistan is no friend of the west. They can ask the Saudis for cash.

No wait, here's two more.

Asia Bibi.

Pakistan can go suck a lemon.

[Sunnyways]

Like many men before him, St. Augustine included, the new PM found religion rather late in life. In his cricket heyday, he was a sex symbol across South Asia (the Sikh wife of one of my friends used to swoon rather too conspicuously at the sight of his bowling) and had a grand old time by all acounts, even marrying a very wealthy English girl of partly Jewish extraction (shock, horror) before mending his ways. He’s posh and does have that fair-skinned look of the Pakistani elite - I always thought he resembled Ghadaffi - but his speech was impressive to my Indian and Pakistani friends alike. They hate the corruption at home which he talked openly about, and the grotesque concentration of wealth that goes beyond anything in the West. He also plans to send a remarkable policeman, now retired, who had great success in North-West Province, to sort out Punjab. So he deserves a chance. In fairness, Khan’s almost immediate predecessor, Nawaz Sharif, described Pakistan as ‘a mess’ early on but was ultimately defeated by status quo forces.

In my opinion, Pakistan’s leaders are not bad people but the challenges they face are colossal. I hope the Pakistani army and the ISI realize before it’s too late that Pakistan is not Germany in 1914 or Israel in ‘67; a multi-front war is not the biggest problem. The primary challenges - of poverty, unemployment, corruption and religious fanaticism - are internal and will destroy the country without any help from Mr. Modi. Of course, all armies profit from bigging up the military threat as Eisenhower noted and Pakistan is possibly the best (i.e. worst) example of that in the world but they protest way too much. Would India really want to occupy Pakistan, let alone absorb two hundred million more Muslims? May I suggest that South Asians need to stick together - you were all called ‘Pakis’ in ‘the good old days’ in England ‘when I were a lad’. The Americans use you, the Chinese despise you intensely and your fellow Muslims in Saudi Arabia would happily put you in chains. None of them understand the first thing about Bollywood, cricket or real curry. The crisis in Burma, a race war against South Asians, is but one example where the sub-continent should speak with one voice and say enough. Anyway, let’s hope Imran has some good luck. Pakistan needs it.

[rickc]

Thanos Thanos:

Trump calling the Chadians a bunch of moochers resulted in four dead US soldiers when Chad got pissed off and withdrew their help in anti-terrorist activities in west Africa. Him pissing off Pakistan in the same way will probably result in something even more catastrophic, either in the region itself with increased local terrorism or by effectively allowing Al Qaeda or ISIS to reform in the badlands and plot another Sept 11 style strike on the United States.

Trump is an idiot and everything he does makes things worse. History will probably show that his angering Pakistan is as bad a decision in hindsight as Bill Clinton not having Bin Laden killed in Sudan when the US had the chance to get him.

Well hey you can petition Trudeau to make up the difference in aid if it that important to you. He can take the family for another tour on the Indian subcontinent. Its not like he is getting jack shit done in North America these days anyways with pipelines not getting built, and trade agreements not getting done. He can dress the whole family up in some more ridiculous third world costumes for the whole world to laugh at. While he is there he can try pushing his progressive agenda on them. Lets see how they like it. He can call them out on their 1000 plus honor killings that happen there every year. He can chastise Khan on his flip flop on blasphemy laws. He can ask that they implement unisex mosques for the transgenders. Everyone should just go to whatever mosque that they "feel" like going to, right? I am sure that they will get right on all of that. We see what kind of respect that Trudeau commands around the world when he made some suggestions to Saudi Arabia. They snapped too right away didn't they? He can pose for some pictures with the new PM. Two pretty boys posing together. Cricket boy and the ski bum, there is a dynamic duo for you. One is in charge of a third world shit hole, and the other is trying his best to turn his country into a third world shit hole.

This tread just shows how powerful Trump Derangement Syndrome actually is. If any politician in Canada was asking for more aid for Pakistan you would be the first one on here to (rightfully) scream: HELL NO!!! You do not want one cent of your money going to a back stabbing, terror producing, woman abusing, third world shit hole that has no basic concept of what human rights even are. Admit it. Pakistan represents everything that you oppose in life, everything. Honor killings, female circumcision, forced marriage, government abductions and censorship, religious nutjobs killing non believers, people living in squalor while the government spends billions on nuclear warheads, I could go on all night here. These people have been playing everyone against the middle from day one. They lie and use everyone that they can to enrich themselves economically, militarily, and strategically. They claim that they are fighting the war on terror, yet Osama bin Laden was living large in their country. Everyone else was living in a cardboard box and this asshole was living in a fucking compound, but no one suspected anything, right? Its all bullshit. How many brave Canadian soldiers died as a result of their backstabbing and treachery? You hate them and you know it. Anyone else on the planet could be cutting aid to Pakistan, and you would be for it. Satan himself could be cutting aid to Pakistan, and you would be for it. President Trump wants to cut aid, and all of a sudden its a dick move. TDS strikes again.

[Sunnyways]

In fairness, another country with terrific poverty right next door went nuclear first, so Pakistan’s hand was forced a bit there. Overpopulation, climate change etc. are bigger problems than India now but try telling an army that. How many countries give up their nukes?

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

How many countries give up their nukes?

South Africa and Ukraine.

South Africa was rather obvious as to why, Ukraine traded for
'guarantees of peace and security' from Russia and the USA.

Look how well that worked out.

[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

How many countries give up their nukes?

South Africa and Ukraine.

South Africa was rather obvious as to why, Ukraine traded for
'guarantees of peace and security' from Russia and the USA.

Look how well that worked out.

There’s little inducement to do it, really. Brazil and Argentina are probably the best example of ending nascent programs. Britain and France will certainly keep theirs now as the US umbrella looks weakened. Pakistan’s offers the least benefit. It can’t manage its other provinces, so why bother about Kashmir? Move back from the line of control and get as good a deal as you can for Indian Kashmiris and water rights. They’re not the only region trapped in the Indian superstate.

Obviously, as more countries go nuclear to get some respect, the possibility of a catastrophe, quite possibly due to a misunderstanding, increases.

[BRAH]

What keeps Obama awake at night? It's Pakistan

$1:

So, is Obama right to have sleepless nights over Pakistan? Given all the information at his disposal, he may have many reasons to be worried. A principal one could be the unpredictability of the Pakistani generals.No one is denying the fact that they are solid, professional army men. But if they can commit atrocities of the type they did in (what is now) Bangladesh, and continue to do in Baluchistan, and if they gloat over 9/11 and 26/11, who and what can stop who and what can stop an angry general from ordering a nuclear strike?

The record shows that they are prone to using violent means. Look, for instance, at the number of wars they have dragged Pakistan into. If you count the two Afghan wars and the continuing terror enterprise, then Pakistan has fought a major war in every decade of its existence; sometimes even two wars simultaneously. Or look at the number of coups it has had over the years. No other major country is held to ransom as whimsically as Pakistan is by its volatile generals.

https://www.deccanherald.com/content/451325/what-keeps-obama-awake-night.html
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One of the main reasons the United States is still in Afghanistan is Pakistan who is one Jihad coup away from obtaining a nuclear weapons arsenal.

[desertdude]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Pray tell, how does your country intend to extract payment from the most powerful country on the planet?

You haven't read any of my initial posts have you, simple NATO supply routes. We have done it before and can do it again

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, as long as there are people in you're military and security services who continue to assist the terrorists who are crossing into Afghanistan or attacking India you're going to remain on the worlds terror watch list which gives Trump the perfect excuse to withhold funding and there's not alot you can do about that.

This is just the US and Indian narrative, which is as mentioned earlier just plain bullshit.

[desertdude]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Like many men before him, St. Augustine included, the new PM found religion rather late in life. In his cricket heyday, he was a sex symbol across South Asia (the Sikh wife of one of my friends used to swoon rather too conspicuously at the sight of his bowling) and had a grand old time by all acounts, even marrying a very wealthy English girl of partly Jewish extraction (shock, horror) before mending his ways. He’s posh and does have that fair-skinned look of the Pakistani elite - I always thought he resembled Ghadaffi - but his speech was impressive to my Indian and Pakistani friends alike. They hate the corruption at home which he talked openly about, and the grotesque concentration of wealth that goes beyond anything in the West. He also plans to send a remarkable policeman, now retired, who had great success in North-West Province, to sort out Punjab. So he deserves a chance. In fairness, Khan’s almost immediate predecessor, Nawaz Sharif, described Pakistan as ‘a mess’ early on but was ultimately defeated by status quo forces.

In my opinion, Pakistan’s leaders are not bad people but the challenges they face are colossal. I hope the Pakistani army and the ISI realize before it’s too late that Pakistan is not Germany in 1914 or Israel in ‘67; a multi-front war is not the biggest problem. The primary challenges - of poverty, unemployment, corruption and religious fanaticism - are internal and will destroy the country without any help from Mr. Modi. Of course, all armies profit from bigging up the military threat as Eisenhower noted and Pakistan is possibly the best (i.e. worst) example of that in the world but they protest way too much. Would India really want to occupy Pakistan, let alone absorb two hundred million more Muslims? May I suggest that South Asians need to stick together - you were all called ‘Pakis’ in ‘the good old days’ in England ‘when I were a lad’. The Americans use you, the Chinese despise you intensely and your fellow Muslims in Saudi Arabia would happily put you in chains. None of them understand the first thing about Bollywood, cricket or real curry. The crisis in Burma, a race war against South Asians, is but one example where the sub-continent should speak with one voice and say enough. Anyway, let’s hope Imran has some good luck. Pakistan needs it.

Yes you are correct, the previous two extremely corrupt govts have put Pakistan in a very hard and difficult and its not going to be easy, I know Imran Khan for the past 30 ish years and we know if anyone can do it, its him or at least he will die trying.

[desertdude]

BRAH BRAH:

One of the main reasons the United States is still in Afghanistan is Pakistan who is one Jihad coup away from obtaining a nuclear weapons arsenal.

That's the kool -aid being fed in the west, even less credible than Iraqs WMDs and Nethanyahus Iran bomb.

And thats even a worse excuse for failure in Afghanistan than Trumps.

Maybe it's time US started to accept responsibility or at least let its people know about their failure in Afghanistan instead of blaming their failures on us.

[BRAH]

desertdude desertdude:

BRAH BRAH:

One of the main reasons the United States is still in Afghanistan is Pakistan who is one Jihad coup away from obtaining a nuclear weapons arsenal.

That's the kool -aid being fed in the west, even less credible than Iraqs WMDs and Nethanyahus Iran bomb.

And thats even a worse excuse for failure in Afghanistan than Trumps.

Maybe it's time US started to accept responsibility or at least let its people know about their failure in Afghanistan instead of blaming their failures on us.

Where was Bin Laden found hiding like a bitch? Keep drinking the kool-aid, Bruh.

[desertdude]

BRAH BRAH:

desertdude desertdude:

BRAH BRAH:

One of the main reasons the United States is still in Afghanistan is Pakistan who is one Jihad coup away from obtaining a nuclear weapons arsenal.

That's the kool -aid being fed in the west, even less credible than Iraqs WMDs and Nethanyahus Iran bomb.

And thats even a worse excuse for failure in Afghanistan than Trumps.

Maybe it's time US started to accept responsibility or at least let its people know about their failure in Afghanistan instead of blaming their failures on us.

Where was Bin Laden found hiding like a bitch? Keep drinking the kool-aid, Bruh.

That's another bigger BS story, there is absolutely no proof of that other then what the US tells us, not even one stinking grainy pic, we are just supposed to take their word they got him and then dumped him in the sea? And then very conveniently the seal six team dies in a chopper crash shortly afterwards.

There's even video of Saddam's execution, autopsy pics of of his sons who were buried under a mansion after it was blown up, but just the Americans word that they got Bin Laden. Right.

People in Abottabad who saw the whole thing give totally different accounts of what happened, totally contradicting the American story.

So yeah the kool aid is strong, very strong.

[BartSimpson]

Just my own two-cents here but I see this as a good thing. Too many times American aid ends up supporting the corrupt elements in a government and absent this toxic support maybe the new PM Imran Khan will be able to effect change.

Hell, for all we know Khan asked Trump to do this just so Khan can gain more leverage in cleaning up the corruption.

Either way, I wish the new PM well and I am hopeful for his success.

[N_Fiddledog]

desertdude desertdude:

That's another bigger BS story, there is absolutely no proof of that other then what the US tells us, not even one stinking grainy pic, we are just supposed to take their word they got him and then dumped him in the sea? And then very conveniently the seal six team dies in a chopper crash shortly afterwards.

Where is Bin Laden then, DD?

Why can't you Pakistani conspiracy freaks produce him?

And why is Doctor Shakil Afrid - who helped America Identify Bin Laden in Abbottabad - still rotting in a Pakistani prison?

Best guess on available information says, 'No. This - - is you, not America.

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Just my own two-cents here but I see this as a good thing. Too many times American aid ends up supporting the corrupt elements in a government and absent this toxic support maybe the new PM Imran Khan will be able to effect change.

Hell, for all we know Khan asked Trump to do this just so Khan can gain more leverage in cleaning up the corruption.

Either way, I wish the new PM well and I am hopeful for his success.

You are absolutely right about aid being missed, the two back to back foreign corrupt governments have doubled our foreign debt, meaning they have taken on more debt in 10 years than the country's entire 70 year history and there is fuck all to show for it, in fact we are worse off today then we were 10 years ago and they are 10 times richer then they were 10 years ago.

But here we are talking not about aid, these are CSF funds owed to us, not aid, big difference.

And the new govt's is fully committed to becoming self sufficient and not taking on any more loans than it needs to, to get back on its feet.

Anyways Mike Pompeo is coming over in a few days, lets see how that goes.