[BeaverFever]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Suddenly I want to nominate Beave for 'Hilarious' medal.

Beave, let's say there was a registry to track every gun, 24/7/365.

There are plans out there on the interwebz, and you can go to Princess Auto and buy a couple machines that will let you make your own untraceable guns!

https://globalnews.ca/news/3690529/seiz ... nist-shop/

Registries only matter to honest people, the people you generally don't care about. What we need is the ability to restrict the people who buy 50 handguns if they aren't a gun dealer. Those are the ones selling to criminals.

All kinds of people sell guns to criminals there’s not one kind. Some are honest, some are not some are just willfully blind or naive about who they’re selling to. In the US you can find people selling old guns they don’t want anymore in the Pennysaver and in flyers taped to telephone poles.

I mean come on. Most gamgbaners and street thugs and deranged spree shooters are not manufacturing their own weapons. Have their been any significant number of crimes with these homemade guns? I’ll bet they’re pretty rare.

Registries help keep legaly sold guns legal because the gun can be traced back to the purchaser. You wouldn’t rob a bank using your own car and you wouldn’t let a friend use your car to rob a bank for the same reason. Nor would you agree to rent a car under your name for your criminal friends’ crime spree. Why? Because you know it would trave back to you.

Let me tell you and Martin and Pluggy about Straw Purchases. That’s when someone with a clean record legally buys a gun at a gustore, secretly on behalf of someone else whom they are working for or traffic guns to. Gangs and organized crime groups employ a number of affilites this way but people also do it freelance. Straw purchasing is a major source of crime guns. If every gun sold had to be registered at the point of sale there would be no straw purchasers because those buyers would know every crime gun could be traced back to them. Also the sheer number of guns being registered to a single person would/should trigger a law enforcement intervention.

Now there are two other ways criminals and smugglers get guns: one is through unscrupulous gun dealers who sell weapons illegally and the other is theft. Those are the only ways, even in the US.: either the gun dealer is crooked, the gun owner is crooked, or the gun dealer or owner owner gets robbed. If we could better trace these weapons from their legal source to the entrance to the criminal market we could crackdown on gun trafficking.

And that’s an important point you guys over look: just about every (non-homemade) gun in this world was manufactured legally and intended for a legitimate and legal purpose and somewhere along the way a huge number of these legal and legitimate guns cross over from the law-abiding world to the criminal world. Gun advocates’ complete lack of curiosity about the ways that happen and how to curb it is simply ideological head-in-the-sand, Oppositional Defiance Disorder. I mean we investigate how stolen cars, contraband, and all other things enter the black market but for some reason this little hobby of playing with bang-sticks is sacrosanct and we must not ask any questions? If you have to register your car, your boat, your airplane, should have to register your gun as well and you shouldn’t be able to buy one without that happening at the point of sale before you take possession.

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

martin14 martin14:

A post like just proves you know I’m right but you still want to troll me.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Let me tell you and Martin and Pluggy about Straw Purchases.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG BUT MEEEEEEEEEEEE

No trolling needed.

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

martin14 martin14:

A post like just proves you know I’m right but you still want to troll me.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Let me tell you and Martin and Pluggy about Straw Purchases.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG BUT MEEEEEEEEEEEE

No trolling needed.

^. That’s just more meaningless trolling. Are you proud of being an internet troll?

[martin14]

More personal attacks.

The above poster must be out of material.... again.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

herbie herbie:

If you're a collector, the cops should be able to inspect your collection every so often to make sure you aren't flogging them off.

Violation of Section 8 of the charter.

The old gun registry included the provision that the RCMP could enter your house to inspect your guns at any time. It might still be buried in the legalese for the PAL and R-PAL.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

herbie herbie:

If you're a collector, the cops should be able to inspect your collection every so often to make sure you aren't flogging them off.

Violation of Section 8 of the charter.

The old gun registry included the provision that the RCMP could enter your house to inspect your guns at any time. It might still be buried in the legalese for the PAL and R-PAL.

The way I read it a little while ago was they can, but still require a warrant. The warrant is just super easy to get.

[herbie]

$1:

Violation of Section 8 of the charter.

Could possibly be. While it winds it's way through the Court and the Crown drags it's feet as much as possible to ensure it takes years, they could grab an awful lot of illegal guns.

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

More personal attacks.

The above poster must be out of material.... again.

Hilarious. Every post you’ve made is an outright personal attack and contains no material and when that’s pointed out you whine that you’re being personally attacked.

By holding others to a higher standard than you do for yourself, are you admitting that we’re better than you and more is expected of us?

Nice way to derail a discussion that’s completely out your league though. Now stop trolling and let the grow ups keep talking

[BeaverFever]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

herbie herbie:

If you're a collector, the cops should be able to inspect your collection every so often to make sure you aren't flogging them off.

Violation of Section 8 of the charter.

The old gun registry included the provision that the RCMP could enter your house to inspect your guns at any time. It might still be buried in the legalese for the PAL and R-PAL.

ote]Inspections

The Firearms Act allows for periodic inspections of firearms collections. The main purpose of inspections is to ensure that all firearms in a collection can be accounted for and that the firearms are stored safely, as set out in the Storage, Display and Transportation of Firearms and Other Weapons by Individuals Regulations.

Before inspecting a firearm collection in a residence, inspectors must give reasonable notice and obtain consent or a warrant.[/quote]

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-f ... ur-eng.htm

It shouldn’t require a warrant, consent to inspection should be a condition of holding a license just like consent to a breathalyzer is for a divers license.

[Tricks]

herbie herbie:

$1:

Violation of Section 8 of the charter.

Could possibly be. While it winds it's way through the Court and the Crown drags it's feet as much as possible to ensure it takes years, they could grab an awful lot of illegal guns.

I think the supreme court would have it before them pretty quickly, there are enough firearms lobby in canada to make sure of it.

[Tricks]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/collector-collecteur-eng.htm

It shouldn’t require a warrant, consent to inspection should be a condition of holding a license just like consent to a breathalyzer is for a divers license.

Wrong. It's a violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Breathalyzers can only be demanded when there are reasonable and probably grounds that the individual is intoxicated. So they can't just arbitrarily demand one. At least not legally. And they'd have to defend in court what the justification for it was.

[stratos]

Couldn't law enforcement do Random checks on collectors. Kind of under the same purpose of Random sobriety check points for DWI's? Not sure if you even have those in Canada but suspect you do.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

Couldn't law enforcement do Random checks on collectors. Kind of under the same purpose of Random sobriety check points for DWI's? Not sure if you even have those in Canada but suspect you do.

The courts have ruled that 'random' checks for sobriety are a violation of the Constitution. There must be probable cause. They can run Checkstops and look for probable cause, but they can't just pull over random people and have the take the tests.

Same would hold for entering a person's home. The Supreme court has upheld the Castle doctrine several times that I recall, so the bar would have to be pretty high to authorize random police searches of homes.

[CharlesAnthony]

Newsbot Newsbot:

Title: Illegal guns sourced in Canada surge compared to those smuggled from U.S.

Why is this so complicated?
All we need to do is increase tariffs on US guns.

[llama66]

*shakes head*