[DrCaleb]

newz newz:

Given that most "asylum" seekers are crossing the border illegally her statement
is false.

Given the Right of Asylum going back to 600BCE, and the UN Conventions on Refugees protect people who have to cross borders in order to protect their lives or the lives of their families, it is not illegal if one is claiming refuge from persecution or threat from imminent danger.

Her statement is true.

[Coach85]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

newz newz:

Given that most "asylum" seekers are crossing the border illegally her statement
is false.

Given the Right of Asylum going back to 600BCE, and the UN Conventions on Refugees protect people who have to cross borders in order to protect their lives or the lives of their families, it is not illegal if one is claiming refuge from persecution or threat from imminent danger.

Her statement is true.

These people are required to claim asylum in the US before crossing into Canada if they took the proper route and crossed at an actual border crossing.

So yes, they are crossing illegally and their lives are not in danger in the US nor is there an imminent threat.

[BRAH]

A coworker from Ireland had to literally jump through hoops to get to Canada and she might not get her work permit renewed next year being deported back. So her only option is to fly into the United States illegally cross the border into Canada and after that it's a free ride.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

newz newz:

Given that most "asylum" seekers are crossing the border illegally her statement
is false.

Given the Right of Asylum going back to 600BCE, and the UN Conventions on Refugees protect people who have to cross borders in order to protect their lives or the lives of their families, it is not illegal if one is claiming refuge from persecution or threat from imminent danger.

Her statement is true.

The Chinese started building the great wall to protect borders in the 7th century BC and the penalty for border-jumping back then was death.

If you want to talk history I mean...although I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove.

As far as I'm concerned Andrea can open her arms, legs or whatever she wants to border jumpers but when she wants to make other Canadians (even Ontarioites) do it she's already doing to them what her illegals are wanting to do to us.

[DrCaleb]

Coach85 Coach85:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

newz newz:

Given that most "asylum" seekers are crossing the border illegally her statement
is false.

Given the Right of Asylum going back to 600BCE, and the UN Conventions on Refugees protect people who have to cross borders in order to protect their lives or the lives of their families, it is not illegal if one is claiming refuge from persecution or threat from imminent danger.

Her statement is true.

These people are required to claim asylum in the US before crossing into Canada if they took the proper route and crossed at an actual border crossing.

So yes, they are crossing illegally and their lives are not in danger in the US nor is there an imminent threat.

If they feel they are in danger in the US, then why shouldn't we consider their appeal?

$1:

The provisions of the 1951 Convention remain the primary international standard against which any measures for the protection and treatment of refugees are judged. Its most important provision, the principle of non-refoulement (meaning no forced returns) contained in Article 33, is the bedrock of the regime. According to this principle, refugees must not be expelled or returned to situations where their life or freedom would be under threat. States bear the primary responsibility for this protection. UNHCR works closely with governments, advising and supporting them as needed, to implement their responsibilities.

http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/2016/3 ... -faqs.html

And no, no amount of cognitive bias will change that claiming asylum always negates any crossing of borders illegally. We've discussed this before, and nothing has changed.

https://www.unhcr.ca/canada-border-crossing-quiz/

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And no, no amount of cognitive bias will change that claiming asylum always negates any crossing of borders illegally. We've discussed this before, and nothing has changed.

https://www.unhcr.ca/canada-border-crossing-quiz/

I'm not sure what you think you discussed so far but UNHCR are a pack of, terrorist arms hiding, fund abusing, panderers to extremists so I don't care what they said.

It sounds like you're suggesting border jumpers will be handled later after processing so they're not actually getting away with breaking the law.

What you neglect to tell us is how the government is admitting the system is currently overloaded. It's doubtful claims will be dealt with in a timely manner. I've heard it might be as long as 12 years if ever. I know there's some old spun data the government and their pet media uses to try to contradict this but it's bogus. In the meantime the illegals are out in the wild drawing off the generosity of the Canadian taxpayer.

As far as the exploitation of "UN safe 3rd country rules" are concerned there are ways to deal with that. Just ask Hungary, Australia or even, after activist judges are dealt with, the United States.

You maximize border protection then partition the border jumpers in an environment excluded from the general population until their claims are dealt with.

[N_Fiddledog]

If Hussein, Trudeau and Butts actually cared about stopping illegal border jumping the first thing they'd do would be to plug the illegal crossings at Roxham road.

It would be easy enough to do. You just declare Roxham a legal border crossing then send the illegals back from there. If the border-jumpers move to another location you do the same thing there.

[Zipperfish]

I think Canada needs to suspend the Safe Thi8rd Country agreement with the US, and then you would see refugees applying at borders more.

[Tricks]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think Canada needs to suspend the Safe Thi8rd Country agreement with the US, and then you would see refugees applying at borders more.

Are they not able to now because of the agreement?

[llama66]

Tricks Tricks:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think Canada needs to suspend the Safe Thi8rd Country agreement with the US, and then you would see refugees applying at borders more.

Are they not able to now because of the agreement?

I think some of the problem at least, stems from that agreement.

[martin14]

llama66 llama66:

Tricks Tricks:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think Canada needs to suspend the Safe Thi8rd Country agreement with the US, and then you would see refugees applying at borders more.

Are they not able to now because of the agreement?

I think some of the problem at least, stems from that agreement.

The real problem is that groups of bleeding heart Lieberals
know all the loopholes how to get around the system.

[Zipperfish]

Tricks Tricks:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think Canada needs to suspend the Safe Thi8rd Country agreement with the US, and then you would see refugees applying at borders more.

Are they not able to now because of the agreement?

If my understanding is correct, through the agreement, refugees reporting at a border post are automatically refused, as refugees must report to the first "safe" country they encounter (which would be the US, if they are traversing the US). However, the immigration situation in the US has fundamentally changed and so agreements based on it should be re-visited. Our attitude towards refugees are much different now.

[CharlesAnthony]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But ya...if Andrea can find an actual, for real "refugee family" not tainted by association with criminal or terrorist affiliations or ideological aggression against western democracies - something like a for real, needy applicant entering through legal channels - she should open her arms to them.

I disagree.
They should be sent back to Syria and the human traffickers who brought them here should be publicly identified: name, date of birth, address, mugshots ..... including all known kin. The CBC can finally be put to good use.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But one suspects she's conflating your "refugee family" term with any ideologically warped hater of the West that wants to sneak across the border or exploit flaws in our system.

In that case she's not offering Canadians' "open arms." It's legs with the average Canadian bent over a chair.

It is worse than that.
Horwath is following the traitor's script of dividing the Canadian population in such a way that all public discussion is channelled to RedTeam versus BlueTeam illusions. The intention being that the source of the problem (traitors and human traffickers) are never exposed.

Traitors are among us.

[llama66]

CharlesAnthony CharlesAnthony:

Horwath is following the traitor's script of dividing the Canadian population in such a way that all public discussion is channelled to RedTeam versus BlueTeam illusions.

Lol. You think this a new tactic? lol. Its as old as politics.

[housewife]

I still want answers to all the practical questions. Number one where are we going to put them? It’s not like we don’t already have a problem with affordable housing or anything.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ottawacitiz ... ousing/amp

The colleges are going to be needing the dorms back. And then what?