[Coach85]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Some people just have too much time on their hands. Really this is what you protest about?

Really?

Accountability. As Canadians, we should WAIT until all the facts of EVERY case are revealed before we jump to conclusions.

[Coach85]

Does every post on here have to end up about Trump and the US or can we discuss things about our own Country?

[martin14]

Coach85 Coach85:

Does every post on here have to end up about Trump and the US or can we discuss things about our own Country?

Just consider who does the twisting, and you have your answer.

Deflection is their specialty.

[herbie]

Pipeline fight
Mass Gay Murder
Changed words of the Anthem
RCMP. Senate, Parliament, Legislatures reeling with sexual harrassment cases
nothing important happening here. Unless you're a wingnut ranting about Trudeau's socks...

[PluggyRug]

herbie herbie:

Pipeline fight
Mass Gay Murder
Changed words of the Anthem
RCMP. Senate, Parliament, Legislatures reeling with sexual harrassment cases
nothing important happening here. Unless you're a wingnut ranting about Trudeau's socks...

Do you mean these?

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I agree. But someday there may come a time when a US political party decides that invading and occupying Canada will score them points in an election.

At which point stupidity will reign.

And I have never said that you need a military capable of taking on the US...just one substantial enough that the US would consider it too costly to take on Canada.

That's already happened with the War Hawks. It failed then, and it would fail again, though likely for different reasons this time. Like several recent US incursions, I think it would result in a successful invasion followed by a failure to occupy.

And stupidity already reigns down there. The last election saw to that. Not so much stupidity, but ignorance. It's a sociological shift whereby ignorance is actually vaunted.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

That's already happened with the War Hawks. It failed then, and it would fail again, though likely for different reasons this time. Like several recent US incursions, I think it would result in a successful invasion followed by a failure to occupy.

Yeah, but why should you allow Toronto to be transformed into a mirror of so many Syrian cities that have been reduced to rubble? It's far better for Canada if people at the Pentagon look at a proposal to invade Canada and say, "Yeah. This won't be easy."

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

And stupidity already reigns down there. The last election saw to that. Not so much stupidity, but ignorance. It's a sociological shift whereby ignorance is actually vaunted.

On both sides.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yeah, but why should you allow Toronto to be transformed into a mirror of so many Syrian cities that have been reduced to rubble? It's far better for Canada if people at the Pentagon look at a proposal to invade Canada and say, "Yeah. This won't be easy."

Then there's not much we can do. I imagine Hitler's smarter generals tried to talk him out of the Russian misadventure too.

personally I support more spending on the military, but no on obsolete technologies like guns and troops.

[Tricks]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yeah, but why should you allow Toronto to be transformed into a mirror of so many Syrian cities that have been reduced to rubble? It's far better for Canada if people at the Pentagon look at a proposal to invade Canada and say, "Yeah. This won't be easy."

Then there's not much we can do. I imagine Hitler's smarter generals tried to talk him out of the Russian misadventure too.

personally I support more spending on the military, but no on obsolete technologies like guns and troops.

This discussion also operates under the assumption that the two countries are the only ones on the planet. It would just be world war 3 with the U.S. being Germany.

[Thanos]

In a scenario where the US attacks us we'd be best off playing the same card the Danes did against Germany in 1940. There's no hope of ever beating an opponent that strong so to save lives and prevent infrastructure destruction in the short term, and to pre-empt American reprisals later on, the best option would be to simply stand down. It wouldn't be comfortable but an objectively futile resistance that provokes pointless casualties would be a thorough waste. Think of Budapest 1956 and Prague 1968 and Tianamen Square 1989. It's silly to dwell on the romance of the moment when in reality the oppressors were just as strong, if not stronger, after the rebellions than they were before. In the case of the Soviets they only ever withdrew from a place when it became too expensive in terms of money to remain there.

[Coach85]

martin14 martin14:

Coach85 Coach85:

Does every post on here have to end up about Trump and the US or can we discuss things about our own Country?

Just consider who does the twisting, and you have your answer.

Deflection is their specialty.

Get off your horse. It's far too high and hypocritical.

The first mention of Trump came from a right-winger, not a lefty looking to deflect.

[rickc]

Coach85 Coach85:

Does every post on here have to end up about Trump and the US or can we discuss things about our own Country?

I would rep if I could!!!

[Prof_Chomsky]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The US has made mistaken Canada's gentility for weakness before. Just because we're not bellying around the room like a drunken asshole doesn't mean we aren't strong.

No, the fact that your governments (Conservative and Liberal, to be fair) have in measure disarmed your military through deliberate and mindless neglect means you're not strong.

Keep in mind that I am the person who for all of my time on this site has advocated for a strong Canada lest the US someday do to you what Russia did to Ukraine.

Last time I checked, might doesn't make right. We aren't on the school playground where the USA can just flex it's mighty military and then dictate terms to whoever they want or threaten to invade. That's the most asinine statement I've ever read.

And if the USA ever did invade Canada, it would literally be the end of the USA. Every single ally and even non-ally we have would go ballistic. "Oh, they invaded their best friend? Where does that leave us?" Britain, France, Germany, the rest of NATO, Russia, China... everyone would lose their collective sh1t. At a minimum we'd be using smuggled tactical nukes to level Manhattan, and 1 US city a week after that until 'murica came to its senses. Hell, I'd bet the rest of the world would relish a chance to arm a gorilla force of Canadians to annihilate the USA from within. "Wait, you mean we have a chance to get rid of that bully once and for all, and we don't have to do anything? And the rest of the entire world will blame the USA for having invaded a sovereign, peaceful nation like Canada anyway?? Where do I sign up?"

[BartSimpson]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

Last time I checked, might doesn't make right. We aren't on the school playground where the USA can just flex it's mighty military and then dictate terms to whoever they want or threaten to invade. That's the most asinine statement I've ever read.

Really? Because I've personally taken part in the invasion of Grenada, the invasion of Panama (although I managed not to do much of anything once I got there...good times), the first Gulf War, the invasion of Afghanistan, a few forays into north eastern Africa, and I did some armed tourism in the Kurdish portion of Iraq...which was actually pretty damned nice.

And I did a fuckload of 'dictating terms'. In several circumstances I enjoyed plenipotentiary authority to act on behalf of the United States of America and with few exceptions I was not the least bit interested in negotiating.

And that was precisely what my chain of command wanted me to do so don't try to tell me otherwise.

I know what my country is capable of doing because I've done it.

[BartSimpson]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

And if the USA ever did invade Canada, it would literally be the end of the USA. Every single ally and even non-ally we have would go ballistic. "Oh, they invaded their best friend? Where does that leave us?" Britain, France, Germany, the rest of NATO, Russia, China... everyone would lose their collective sh1t. At a minimum we'd be using smuggled tactical nukes to level Manhattan, and 1 US city a week after that until 'murica came to its senses. Hell, I'd bet the rest of the world would relish a chance to arm a gorilla force of Canadians to annihilate the USA from within. "Wait, you mean we have a chance to get rid of that bully once and for all, and we don't have to do anything? And the rest of the entire world will blame the USA for having invaded a sovereign, peaceful nation like Canada anyway?? Where do I sign up?"

Really? Do you really think that the rest of the world would react to the US invading and annexing Canada any differently than they did when Russia invaded and annexed half of Ukraine, when China invaded and occupied Tibet, when Turkey is right now invading and effectively annexing northern Syria, and etc?

And the truth here is that strained as our relations may be, the United Kingdom is still our best friend.

If that ever changes or if Canada ever fundamentally changes her relationship with the UK then don't expect the British or the EU to issue any ultimatums to the USA over Canada. They don't have the ability to enforce such an ultimatum and they know it.

As to Canadians waging a guerrilla war against the USA that's just silly.

Your own people would rat you out to the US occupiers so as to prevent any escalation of hostilities. Your country is already rife with people who openly hate Canada and who say that the Canadian identity is dead.

They're not going to fight for a country and an ideal that they loathe and if you fight for it then long before you face off with any Americans you'll have to face off with the legions of willing traitors within your own population.

People like yourself have spent three generations convincing Canadians that nationalism and militarism are barbaric and retrograde and guess what? You've succeeded.

So stop pretending that your people would fight for Canada's existence and liberty because folks like yourself have long convinced the vast majority of your fellow citizens that doing such a thing would be rude, ignorant, and impolite.

Now did I piss you off?

I certainly hope so.