[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Or running over "counter-protesters"

Backing over people who are attacking your vehicle when you're boxed in is incidental to self-preservation. Nothing in law says you're supposed to give a shit about the safety of people who are trying to harm you.

Wrong on both counts. The video shows the driver gunned it into the crowed, then backed up over people. There is no evidence that person, or anyone else there was under attack. Even if you are under attack, you are only allowed to use force necessary.

Maybe the Nazis will roll in again, but at least I'll be able to tell my kids I didn't just stand by and watch it happen.

The right-wing press, in the form of The Rebel, was chumming it up on the sidewalk with the Nazis when the car was driven into the crowd. Says it all about the information system that is generating the sort of "fact" the alt-Reich/pro-Trump crowd relies on.

And for those who often claim around here to be pro-Israel/Jewish, it's amazing how none of them seem to want to mention this little tidbit about what was happening at a Charlottesville synagogue during the same events:

http://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville ... med-651260

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The police department promised to provide “an observer” near the building but Zimmerman says it “was not kept” by the force, leaving the congregation vulnerable to assault as they worshipped.

“For half an hour, three men dressed in fatigues and armed with semi-automatic rifles stood across the street from the temple,” he wrote. “Had they tried to enter, I don’t know what I could have done to stop them, but I couldn’t take my eyes off them, either.”

Not only did armed protesters stand across from the synagogue, but neo-Nazis paraded past the building, shouting anti-Semitic slogans, a horrible reminder of Nazi Germany’s persecution and mass slaughter of European Jews.

“Several times, parades of Nazis passed our building, shouting, 'There's the synagogue!' followed by chants of 'Sieg Heil' and other anti-Semitic language. Some carried flags with swastikas and other Nazi symbols,” Zimmerman wrote.

This was before James Alex Fields Jr. plowed his car into protesters in the town, leaving a scene of carnage that has sparked outrage across the United States, and the wider western world.

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Or running over "counter-protesters"

Backing over people who are attacking your vehicle when you're boxed in is incidental to self-preservation. Nothing in law says you're supposed to give a shit about the safety of people who are trying to harm you.

He's the one that just drove into the crowd of people with intent to injure or kill and then suddenly you're scared for your safety?

Utter nonsense.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Wrong on both counts.

He may be wrong if he's talking specifically about Charlottesville, but are you sure that's what he's talking about?

He only quoted you as saying "running over "counter-protesters."

Long before Charlottesville people were warning that if this business continued of far-left agitators blocking traffic intersections, sooner or later a tragedy was bound to happen.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Even if you are under attack, you are only allowed to use force necessary.

Nope. North Carolina is a Stand Your Ground state in which the onus of responsibility is upon an attacker and not the person defending from an attacker.

http://www.kirkkirklaw.com/legal-resour ... -carolina/

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North Carolina stand your ground law is addressed in NCGS § 14-51.2 and § 14-51.3 and are summarized below:

A person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

You reasonably believe that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another; or

You are in your home, vehicle or workplace and that the person against whom the defensive force was used was an unlawful intruder or was attempting to forcibly and unlawfully enter one of the above.

In this case the defendant was in his car which is on video being attacked by rioters who were protesting without a permit and blocking a public street.

Had he stepped from his car and opened fire on the people who were beating on his car he'd have been 100% within the law. Backing over an attacker while trying to flee an illegal riot is therefore a defensible act under the law and that's the heart of his defense.

Eventually it'll be up to a jury to decide if that's a valid defense.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

The right-wing press, in the form of The Rebel, was chumming it up on the sidewalk with the Nazis when the car was driven into the crowd.

False. Rebel's on-site journalist was in the middle of the crowd of Communist agitators.:



Although to be fair, if we're just going by behaviour it is difficult to distinguish between the thuggery of the old formative nazis and the current brand of agitating Communists and their hangers on.

BTW, see that girl bouncing off the roof. That's not the woman who died. The woman who died had problems with obesity and smoking. Her mother told us on the mainstream news that she died of a heart attack.

[N_Fiddledog]

The MSM was able to control the narrative on the Charlottesville riots, but there's a real good chance the left is going to get a Freddie Gray style surprise when this case finally makes it to court.

There's all kinds of evidence they charged the white nationalist guy with the wrong charge.

[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BTW, see that girl bouncing off the roof. That's not the woman who died. The woman who died had problems with obesity and smoking. Her mother told us on the mainstream news that she died of a heart attack.

Totally false.

She died due to blunt force trauma to the chest. That’s from the medical examiner.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Wrong on both counts.

He may be wrong if he's talking specifically about Charlottesville, but are you sure that's what he's talking about?

He only quoted you as saying "running over "counter-protesters."

Long before Charlottesville people were warning that if this business continued of far-left agitators blocking traffic intersections, sooner or later a tragedy was bound to happen.

In neither the United States nor Canada do you get to kill people for blocking an intersection. That's why the man who ran the crowd in Charlottesville is up on murder charges. It wasn't an inevitable tragedy, it was a Nazi seething with hate, fed on a constant diet of Breitbart and Stormfront who decided, ISIS-style, to run over a bunch of people.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Even if you are under attack, you are only allowed to use force necessary.

Nope.

Yup. The perpetrator is up on a murder charge.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BTW, see that girl bouncing off the roof. That's not the woman who died. The woman who died had problems with obesity and smoking. Her mother told us on the mainstream news that she died of a heart attack.

The woman who died, died because of a murderous individual who accelerated his vehicle into a crowd of people. It's really not that difficult. what amazes me is your ability to look at a film of a person driving his car into a crowd of people at high speed and come to the conclusion that the woman who died just happened to have a heart attack right before she got run over. Listen to how ridiculous you sound.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

what amazes me is your ability to look at a film of a person driving his car into a crowd of people at high speed and come to the conclusion that the woman who died just happened to have a heart attack right before she got run over. Listen to how ridiculous you sound.

Why? Who said that? I said the woman who died wasn't the one the media showed bouncing off the top of a vehicle stopped by the crowd at the intersection.

That's true. She wasn't.

I said the mother of the actual woman who died told us in a Mainstream Media Report she had died of a heart attack.

That's true. She did.

I don't know what exactly traumatized the obese, smoker Heather Heyer to the point she had her coronary though. Be honest. Neither do you. There's a theory with some foggy video evidence supporting it that she was being pushed back by the crowd when they saw the car coming.

We may get a better idea of what really happened when the case comes to trial.

The last I heard James Alex Fields Jr. was charged with 2nd degree murder. Second-degree murder, as you may know, is "any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned."

Can the prosecution prove the necessary Mens Rea in this case? I believe there's a lot of evidence most have yet to hear about that will make that difficult.

[Public_Domain]

[herbie]

Finish your Dad's job.
Bullet for any with an SS tattoo. De-Nazification camps for the rest.

[N_Fiddledog]

Coach85 Coach85:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BTW, see that girl bouncing off the roof. That's not the woman who died. The woman who died had problems with obesity and smoking.

Totally false.

She died due to blunt force trauma to the chest. That’s from the medical examiner.

Wrong again. Here's what I said:

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Her mother told us on the mainstream news that she died of a heart attack.

OK, now watch:



Now did somebody or something at some time somehow smack into her chest? Doesn't matter. What I said was a fact. Get it?

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

what amazes me is your ability to look at a film of a person driving his car into a crowd of people at high speed and come to the conclusion that the woman who died just happened to have a heart attack right before she got run over. Listen to how ridiculous you sound.

Why? Who said that? I said the woman who died wasn't the one the media showed bouncing off the top of a vehicle stopped by the crowd at the intersection.

That's true. She wasn't.

I said the mother of the actual woman who died told us in a Mainstream Media Report she had died of a heart attack.

That's true. She did.

I don't know what exactly traumatized the obese, smoker Heather Heyer to the point she had her coronary though. Be honest. Neither do you. There's a theory with some foggy video evidence supporting it that she was being pushed back by the crowd when they saw the car coming.

We may get a better idea of what really happened when the case comes to trial.

The last I heard James Alex Fields Jr. was charged with 2nd degree murder. Second-degree murder, as you may know, is "any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned."

Can the prosecution prove the necessary Mens Rea in this case? I believe there's a lot of evidence most have yet to hear about that will make that difficult.

The whole thing is live on camera. You can see the guy gunning his car into the crowd. Even for a group as fact-resistant as the alt-right, it's a little bit of a stretch to say he was just dawdling along in his car when this woman had a heart attack in front of him.

You just sound absolutely ridiculous.