[ccga3359]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

herbie herbie:

Conveniently forgetting we were the Brits in an ever increasing attempt to belittle our accomplishments.

Conveniently forgetting they were Brits as well, rebelling against their rightful King!

Um, no. They were Americans in 1812.


As for British/Canadian, it was technically the British kicking ass. Canadians didn't officially become Canadians until July 1st 1867 when Canada became it's own dominion. Even until WWI Canadian soldiers were listed as British. This is why the world is generally unaware of the true Canadian involvement in places like Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. It's part of the royal "We" where "England" can be used to describe all the home countries.

[DrCaleb]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

As for British/Canadian, it was technically the British kicking ass. Canadians didn't officially become Canadians until July 1st 1867 when Canada became it's own dominion. Even until WWI Canadian soldiers were listed as British. This is why the world is generally unaware of the true Canadian involvement in places like Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. It's part of the royal "We" where "England" can be used to describe all the home countries.

A common misconception! British subjects in Upper and Lower Canada referred to themselves as 'Canadian' long before that, after the late 1700's when Upper and Lower Canada were referred to as 'The Canadas'.

That Britain saw us as colonials, doesn't mean we saw ourselves that way. Just ask the Indians. And by 'Indian', I mean the ones between Africa and East Asia.

[ShepherdsDog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

herbie herbie:

Conveniently forgetting we were the Brits in an ever increasing attempt to belittle our accomplishments.

Conveniently forgetting they were Brits as well, rebelling against their rightful King!

Not so much rebelling against their King as fighting for their 'rights as Englishmen'. They saw the acts of parliament as an erosion of their traditional rights, and they wanted to restore and protect them rather trying to create something new and unique.

[ccga3359]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

ccga3359 ccga3359:

As for British/Canadian, it was technically the British kicking ass. Canadians didn't officially become Canadians until July 1st 1867 when Canada became it's own dominion. Even until WWI Canadian soldiers were listed as British. This is why the world is generally unaware of the true Canadian involvement in places like Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. It's part of the royal "We" where "England" can be used to describe all the home countries.

A common misconception! British subjects in Upper and Lower Canada referred to themselves as 'Canadian' long before that, after the late 1700's when Upper and Lower Canada were referred to as 'The Canadas'.

That Britain saw us as colonials, doesn't mean we saw ourselves that way. Just ask the Indians. And by 'Indian', I mean the ones between Africa and East Asia.

They may have called themselves Canadians I suggest that they may also have considered themselves British much as Gibraltans and Falkland Islanders today consider themselves as British. That aside, in the War of 1812 the vast majority of troops were British 48,000 of that 10,000 provincial regulars. The population of the Canadas at the time was less than half million and still under a million if the Maritimes were included.

[DrCaleb]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

ccga3359 ccga3359:

As for British/Canadian, it was technically the British kicking ass. Canadians didn't officially become Canadians until July 1st 1867 when Canada became it's own dominion. Even until WWI Canadian soldiers were listed as British. This is why the world is generally unaware of the true Canadian involvement in places like Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. It's part of the royal "We" where "England" can be used to describe all the home countries.

A common misconception! British subjects in Upper and Lower Canada referred to themselves as 'Canadian' long before that, after the late 1700's when Upper and Lower Canada were referred to as 'The Canadas'.

That Britain saw us as colonials, doesn't mean we saw ourselves that way. Just ask the Indians. And by 'Indian', I mean the ones between Africa and East Asia.

They may have called themselves Canadians I suggest that they may also have considered themselves British much as Gibraltans and Falkland Islanders today consider themselves as British. That aside, in the War of 1812 the vast majority of troops were British 48,000 of that 10,000 provincial regulars. The population of the Canadas at the time was less than half million and still under a million if the Maritimes were included.

Don't get me wrong, many of us still do consider our heritage 'British'. My family name is from a county near Manchester. But being born here gives me a distinct difference in how I see myself over my namesakes in the U.K, New Zealand, South Africa, or Australia.

People In Newfoundland only became Canadian in 1949, so there are people I know born there, who still consider themselves Brits before Canadians. But they are proud to be both.

I'm sure the Halifax Dragoons were no less proud to be British troops, but were still Haligonians when they burnt the White House during the war of 1812. They might have been loyal British troops, but that makes them no less 'Canadian'.

[herbie]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

herbie herbie:

Conveniently forgetting we were the Brits in an ever increasing attempt to belittle our accomplishments.

Conveniently forgetting they were Brits as well, rebelling against their rightful King!

Um, no. They were Americans in 1812.


As for British/Canadian, it was technically the British kicking ass. Canadians didn't officially become Canadians until July 1st 1867 when Canada became it's own dominion. Even until WWI Canadian soldiers were listed as British. This is why the world is generally unaware of the true Canadian involvement in places like Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. It's part of the royal "We" where "England" can be used to describe all the home countries.

Canadians were Americans? What you been smoking?
They were British Subjects until Jan 1, 1947 when actual citizens of Canada were recognized.
In 1812 they were residents of Upper or Lower Canada, \New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI (St John's island) or Cape Breton. British.
But I'm sure many of them might have bloodied you're nose if you told them they weren't Canadians even then.
The country was established in 1867, citizenship in 1947 but the fact they were British colonies at the time doesn't negate the fact they were Canadians as defined today.

[ccga3359]

herbie herbie:

Canadians were Americans? What you been smoking?
They were British Subjects until Jan 1, 1947 when actual citizens of Canada were recognized.
In 1812 they were residents of Upper or Lower Canada, \New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI (St John's island) or Cape Breton. British.
But I'm sure many of them might have bloodied you're nose if you told them they weren't Canadians even then.
The country was established in 1867, citizenship in 1947 but the fact they were British colonies at the time doesn't negate the fact they were Canadians as defined today.

Responding to DrCaleb to which those rebelling against the King were the Americans thinking that he had mixed up 1776 with 1812. If he wasn't then my mistake and apologies to him

In regards to being British yes they were Canadians but also British subjects. Britain is not a physical country but a geographic and political entity. I was born in England, that makes me English. that automatically makes me British. To this day people from Gibraltar or Falkland Islands consider themselves and are recognized as British citizens, Such the same as Canada under the British Subjects Act 1708 to 1772.

As to the original thread. Even though Star Spangled Banner refers to the successful American defence of Fort McHenry I think it a brilliant and very appropriate national anthem for the U.S. and should remain, unchanged as a source of pride. and this woman complainer should STFU and get a life.

[herbie]

Even if the current 'land of the free and home of the brave' is monitored and surveilled 24/7 and half cower under their beds over Muslims with rented trucks?