[BartSimpson]

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Is Harvard part of the government?

Many graduates of Harvard's Law School are and have been...such as Barack Obama.

That's not the question. There is no amendment violation if the government isn't enforcing it.

Yes, there is. The college has no right whatsoever to control someone's associations off campus.

Period.

They can try, but they will lose.

And like I said, the irony of it all is they stand a good chance of getting a Constitutional beat down by some of their own graduates.

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm not alone and unlike yourself I'm aware of what I do not know.

Not sure if I agree there but I won't stop you from patting yourself on the back of it makes you feel better.

[BartSimpson]

Coach85 Coach85:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm not alone and unlike yourself I'm aware of what I do not know.

Not sure if I agree there but I won't stop you from patting yourself on the back of it makes you feel better.

You don't agree? So you know all US Federal, State, county, municipal, and special district laws off the top of your head?

I bow before your magnificence. You're obviously the William Blackstone of our time.

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'm not alone and unlike yourself I'm aware of what I do not know.

Not sure if I agree there but I won't stop you from patting yourself on the back of it makes you feel better.

You don't agree? So you know all US Federal, State, county, municipal, and special district laws off the top of your head?

I bow before your magnificence. You're obviously the William Blackstone of our time.

I don't agree that you're aware of what you don't know.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yes, there is. The college has no right whatsoever to control someone's associations off campus.

Explain to me how a private instutition having a policy is a violation of a document meant to stop the overstepping of government.

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Period.

They can try, but they will lose.

And like I said, the irony of it all is they stand a good chance of getting a Constitutional beat down by some of their own graduates.

Then they need to get better at educating their own graduates. Law students are idiots, and I regularly had to explain the charter to them when I worked security.

You honestly think Harvard has no right to expel someone for being part of a hate group? Or any other group they find reprehensible? By attending the institution and paying for tuition there is an implicit agreement with the Universities code of conduct. If they violate that code of conduct, whatever it may be, the university is within it's right to expel the student.

It's a private institution, it's allowed to do that and in no way violates the constitution, as that doesn't apply to a private entity. So unless Massachusetts has a specific law not allowing it, Harvard can do as they please. So there is no ammendment violation at all.

[BartSimpson]

Coach85 Coach85:

I don't agree that you're aware of what you don't know.

I'm not a lawyer. I don't know everything about the law. I'm aware of these facts.

What am I saying here that you disagree with?

[Tricks]

Perfect example, there are many christian colleges in the U.S. Would you also say there are ammendment violations for those schools expelling kids who are in a same-sex relationship? Cause that's happened, a lot.

[BartSimpson]

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You honestly think Harvard has no right to expel someone for being part of a hate group? Or any other group they find reprehensible?

No, they don't. And if they tried to ban students who were card-carrying members of the Klan they'd end up with the same response in court.

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By attending the institution and paying for tuition there is an implicit agreement with the Universities code of conduct. If they violate that code of conduct, whatever it may be, the university is within it's right to expel the student.

And the University has every right in the world to control on-campus conduct. They have no right to control what people do off campus.

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It's a private institution, it's allowed to do that and in no way violates the constitution, as that doesn't apply to a private entity. So unless Massachusetts has a specific law not allowing it, Harvard can do as they please. So there is no ammendment violation at all.

It's a private university that accepts Federal funding. That makes them subject to a whole big truckload of regulations not the least of which is the Constitution:

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[BartSimpson]

FYI, I support the right of the university to ban fraternities and sororities from their campus. Many schools have done this and I personally think it's a great idea to dispense with these bullshit organizations on campus.

But they have no right to tell anyone that they can't belong to such an organization off-campus.

[raydan]

Gay cake Bart....

The university can refuse to serve who they want to. They can refuse admission to anybody... and if they admit you, I'm sure they have a bunch of conditions on that admission form that students sign and accept. You don't respect them, they can expel you.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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You honestly think Harvard has no right to expel someone for being part of a hate group? Or any other group they find reprehensible?

No, they don't. And if they tried to ban students who were card-carrying members of the Klan they'd end up with the same response in court.

Tricks Tricks:

By attending the institution and paying for tuition there is an implicit agreement with the Universities code of conduct. If they violate that code of conduct, whatever it may be, the university is within it's right to expel the student.

And the University has every right in the world to control on-campus conduct. They have no right to control what people do off campus.

How about expelling people for being in a relationship like many of your christian universities have done? Cause that's happened and they got away with it, is that not a violation of freedom of association?

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It's a private institution, it's allowed to do that and in no way violates the constitution, as that doesn't apply to a private entity. So unless Massachusetts has a specific law not allowing it, Harvard can do as they please. So there is no ammendment violation at all.

It's a private university that accepts Federal funding. That makes them subject to a whole big truckload of regulations not the least of which is the Constitution:

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Not really a source. The only federal funding I was able to find was research grants, which I confess I don't know how that would play, but I'd assume that doesn't force them to abide by constitution in how they interact with students. They receive tax breaks, but not specific funding. And they receive funding in the way of student grants and loans, but that's not really them, that's the students receiving it, so again, not sure if that would apply.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

FYI, I support the right of the university to ban fraternities and sororities from their campus. Many schools have done this and I personally think it's a great idea to dispense with these bullshit organizations on campus.

But they have no right to tell anyone that they can't belong to such an organization off-campus.

And FYI I agree with you, I think it's a bullshit rule and they shouldn't be allowed to do it, but I don't see why they can't.

[BartSimpson]

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Perfect example, there are many christian colleges in the U.S. Would you also say there are ammendment violations for those schools expelling kids who are in a same-sex relationship? Cause that's happened, a lot.

Name one that's occured during your lifetime.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

Gay cake Bart....

The university can refuse to serve who they want to.

Do you think they could ban anyone who joins an off-campus LGBT organization?

Do you think that would stand up in court? I don't. If they tried this I'd oppose this too and for the same reason: it's none of their effing business what students or faculty legally do off-campus.

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

raydan raydan:

Gay cake Bart....

The university can refuse to serve who they want to.

Do you think they could ban anyone who joins an off-campus LGBT organization?

Do you think that would stand up in court? I don't. If they tried this I'd oppose this too and for the same reason: it's none of their effing business what students or faculty legally do off-campus.

What if you sign a contract stating that you will NOT join an off-campus LGBT organization while you are registered in that University... and if you did, they can expel you?