[BartSimpson]

Edited.

[N_Fiddledog]

Tricks Tricks:

I assume the same mentality applies to other horse-shit labels like organic or non-gmo?

Hmmm...not sure.

But yeah, let's look at that.

Food gets an organic label, the price goes up and some people believe they're going to get healthier.

Did I miss anything?

Now with Halal the pressure on the Kufar food marketer to certify starts small, the effect increases as the Islamic demographic increases in the territory.

Here's an immediate and obvious difference to publicly certifying food as organic over Halal. Suppose you're running a hamburger joint and you start marketing hamburger buns as organic. Will you sell more hamburgers or less? I think more if the price doesn't change. Now suppose you start marketing the patty as Halal. Will you sell more hamburgers or less? Less unless you live in a European no-go zone, right?

But because Organic marketing is relatively recent let's look at a ground floor Halal practice in Canada to look for similarities in how the certification is insinuated into the market.

I mentioned how Earl's cut out Canadian farmers so they could sneak off to where the Beef is Halal. The story has its complexities. Sheila Gunn Reid of Rebel Media explains:



So I don't know? Halal marketing just like Organic? I don't think so. We can go deeper and broader internationally to show how Halal certification at the next level is used to gain control of ever broadening areas of the food industry if you like. We can see if jobs are fed to the favored in the Halal approved factories and abattoirs if you like. I think you can already guess who you'll find there.

Also I've heard a claim that a percentage of Halal certification money goes to Zakat (an Islamic tax) and a percentage of that goes to funding Jihad. Not sure about that one, but I'm pretty sure there's a varying bit of all of this that has at least some factual basis. Enough to be pretty sure Halal certification is not the same thing as Organic anyway.

We can get deeper into all that if you like though.

I know I've heard of Halal certifiers in Indonesia having what sounded like mob wars with each other. That didn't sound very organic.

[Tricks]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Food gets an organic label, the price goes up and some people believe they're going to get healthier.

Food gets a halal label and some people believe they're not going to hell.

$1:

Now with Halal the pressure on the Kufar food marketer to certify starts small, the effect increases as the Islamic demographic increases in the territory.

Now with Organic, the pressure on the food marketer to certify starts small, the effect increases as the hipster and moron demographic increases in the territory.

$1:

Here's an immediate and obvious difference to publicly certifying food as organic over Halal. Suppose you're running a hamburger joint and you start marketing hamburger buns as organic. Will you sell more hamburgers or less? I think more if the price doesn't change. Now suppose you start marketing the patty as Halal. Will you sell more hamburgers or less? Less unless you live in a European no-go zone, right?

I don't understand, why would it be less? (genuine question, I don't actually know what Halal means, other than religious nonsense)

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I mentioned how Earl's cut out Canadian farmers so they could sneak off to where the Beef is Halal.

That's a fair reason to be upset. However, lets say canadian farmers are intelligent and only use conventional means to grow crops. Would you still be upset if a food manufacturer went somewhere else for organic produce?

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So I don't know? Halal marketing just like Organic? I don't think so.

Why? Organic food sales in 2015 in the U.S. were 43 billion dollars. Halal was 20 billion in 2016 for the U.S.

Organic is bigger.

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We can go deeper and broader internationally to show how Halal certification at the next level is used to gain control of ever broadening areas of the food industry if you like.

You mean like trying to scare people into only eating organic food with false information? Or lobbying the U.S. government to require something to be labelled as a GMO product to coincide with their fear based marketing?

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I know I've heard of Halal certifiers in Indonesia having what sounded like mob wars with each other. That didn't sound very organic.

That's almost as bad as lobbying small 3rd world country governments to ban GMO products that will keep their population from starving or being extremely malnourished.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Conspiracy?

Is that the new definition of an obvious fact in the regressive leftist dictionary?

I think you're going to find that when Islam gets around to dealing with you and yours in your fantasy realm of Progtopia it's not going to be as kind to y'all as you think it should be.

You are mentally ill.

[Tricks]

Additionally, isn't the the free market at work? If a demographic wants a specific product, and the market shifts to accommodate that demographic, that's capitalism at it's finest, isn't it?

[BartSimpson]

Here's why halal AND kosher are incompatible with Western values:

[Public_Domain]

[Public_Domain]

[BartSimpson]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's why halal AND kosher are incompatible with Western values:

*meanwhile, in the land of "Western ValuesTM", employees sign NDAs and those who video tape abuse face persecution*

k

I oppose that bullshit, too.

Companies and governments that don't do evil shit don't have to worry about whistleblowers.

That's fucking radical, I know, but it's true.

[BartSimpson]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

if that's a roundabout way of implying i'm triggered at the prospect of killing a fucking bunch of north koreans then yeah, i guess

at least i'm flying this one with purpose, i've only been flying vietnam because of the star and classic colours

So noted and with my apologies. I've removed that post in respect of your stance.

I may not agree with you here but I'll respect that you're acting from principle.

[Public_Domain]

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's why halal AND kosher are incompatible with Western values:

*meanwhile, in the land of "Western ValuesTM", employees sign NDAs and those who video tape abuse face persecution*

k

I oppose that bullshit, too.

Companies and governments that don't do evil shit don't have to worry about whistleblowers.

That's fucking radical, I know, but it's true.

I don't support halal or kosher slaughter either.

That said, most "halal" food is not halal slaughtered....in North America anyway. Halal slaughter is only recommended for muslims but is not strictly required and not very specific anyway. By contrast, the requirements for Kosher are mandatory and very specific, right down to the size and sharpness of the blade and the prayers that must be said during slaughter and IIRC the food preparation area must also be specially blessed regularly. These strict guidelines explain why you don't see as much kosher food in restaurants and supermarkets as you do halal food, despite the Jewish community being much older and more established (another reason being that Jews were originally segregated from mainstream society for many decades, during which they established their own specialty grocery stores, whereas Muslims only arrived in significant numbers recently, in a post-segregation society and tend to mostly shop in mainstream grocery stores).

[herbie]

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I boycott Campbell's soups myself even though they're not all Halal. Also Cadbury's. Not all Cadbury's products are Halal, but apparently now you can't even call Easter Eggs, Easter Eggs in England.

Okay, you are completely mad.
But you're forgiven. The Easter Bunny died for your sins....

[Thanos]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

cheers.

as for companies and governments, they shouldn't get to exist, but they especially shouldn't get to survive an evil act.

and by survive i mean i think it's a god damn shame that western values is okay with executing mentally ill Texans but not the orchastraters of 2008

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It brought to our attention the little "K" that was on food packaging meant that you paid a secret 'Jewish Tax', and that our food supply was secretly going to fund the oppression of the Palestinians! Riveting stuff!

Really...how clever you sound to see past such an obvious falsehood in your little story.

Can you do me a favor? Apply those amazing deductive skills to this symbol:

Falsehood? How can I lie about the Halal symbol, when I didn't even mention it?

Just your usual attempt at misdirection. Boooorrrriiiing.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But by all means if a superior fellow like yourself can tell me what that particular crescent moon symbol really does mean if it doesn't mean Halal I'm all ears.

No, you are all bullshit, not ears. We've been over this.

You, my other gullible friend, have been tricked into thinking the vast conspiracy of people who choose to eat food in accordance with religious practices is somehow a silent invasion and assault on your way of life. And you fell for it! Is the western world world being invaded by tofu eating hippies that demand organic food? No. Or Kosher Jews that demand products with milk, meat or neither be labelled? No. Or the poor souls that didn't get peanuts as a kid and are now allergic? No. And the Gluten intolerant are not forming death squads at the border waiting for spring to rush in and take over.

But Muslims . . .OMGWFT INVASION! Aaaaaaaaaa!