[Freakinoldguy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

prairiechickin prairiechickin:

There's no clear and present danger, so our PM prefers the warm and fuzzy spending to the sort that leaves you ready for future calamity.

Since when it comes to world politics possesion is 10/10ths of the law you don't think we have a threat to our sovereignty from both the Americans and Russians in the Arctic?

If we want to keep the Arctic Canadian we'll need one hell of alot more resources than a couple of Inuit Rangers with WWII Lee Enfields to keep it that way.

Good thing you made sure Harper kept his 2006 election promise to build three heavy armed icebreakers for the Navy then....oh wait, he reneged and changed it 4-6 patrol ships with medium icebreaking capability (good only in the summer months), none of which even got started while he was in office.

Good thing you wrote the PM when he cancelled the JSS project in 2008, then re-started it with lesser capabilities and then took a decade to get a hull laid (two years AFTER he lost the election), meaning we had to get the Chilean Navy to help us in the interim.

Good thing you got upset when Harper announced the Canada First plan, but failed to fund any part of it for a decade, meaning his government could continue tax cuts and pass the buck (quite literally) onto the next government.

Good thing you got upset when the government failed to replace our aging destroyers, putting that project off until the mid-2020s.

Good thing you held Harper's feet to the fire on building that Arctic port at Nanisivik, where we planned on forward basing our shiny new heavy, armed icebreakers, oops, I meant slushbreakers.

Yep, Trudeau is the only politician who has failed the military ever...

We're talking about here and now which means you can't change the fact that this is the Gov't that's taken the military to a new low something I thought was possible after the last 5 decades.

As for being partisan trust me when I say. Harper fucked up with the Military and the Veterans big time and I chastised him and their party for it on this forum. I actually got so pissed that I told them to stop soliciting me for money and trying to get me to become a member of the Party because I was completely disgusted by Julian Fantino's actions towards Veterans. So, if you'd bothered reading my posts from that period you'd know how I felt about the last PM and that other Conservative loser, Brian Mulroney( who was the second worst PM in Canadian and possibly world history) when it came to their party's treatment of the military and veterans.

I served from the 60's to the 2000's so I've pretty much seen it all from both parties and trust me when I say I have no respect for politicians period but, the Liberals hold a special place in my heart because of their blatant disrespect for the military a trend that started in the late 60's and continues to this day. I also despise this latest round of election campaign lies that they used to lure unsuspecting voters into believing that they'd finally man up and do the right thing when it came to the military and Veterans. Not even the Conservatives were willing to or have ever made such outrageous promises that they never intended to keep just to get elected. A fact which says alot about the Liberal Party's respect for the military and those that served.


So, if those things make me partisan then I'm the most partisan person on this board.

BTW if a political party is willing to chuck shit about someone else's mismanagement of military procurement programs then, they'd better be able to suck it up when they get taken to task for making an even a bigger mess of the thing they just criticized.


https://www.liberal.ca/conservatives-mi ... ocurement/

Here's the Conservatives shipbuilding procurement program in a nutshell.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... approaches

Now here's the Liberals.

$1:

The promised re-equipping of the Canadian military has essentially been postponed until after the next election in a maiden federal Liberal budget that shifts billions of dollars in capital spending to 2020 — or later.

The Trudeau government’s new fiscal plan shoves $3.7 billion in planned defence purchases — ships, planes and vehicles — off into the future, but Finance Minister Bill Morneau insists the move does not represent a cut to military funding.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... n-veterans

So, I guess it depends on perspective but, I'd think having one supply ship and 4-6 patrol craft is better than having one highly paid former British Admiral in charge of procuring no supply ship, no patrol craft and no frigates.

[Canadian_Mind]

I don't think it is partisan to hold a current government to task over a lack of military spending, whether that government is Liberal or Conservative.

I do recall FOG and I both made noise about the lack of actual commitment the Cons made to the military, Despite both of us being self-proclaimed Conservative supporters. Further, many of the Conservative purchases were sole-source contracts that began fruition under the Liberals (new tanks, Globemasters, Chinooks, etc). The majority of standalone projects the Conservatives brought fourth hadn't happened by the time the Liberals got in, and the Liberals just kicked the can down the road. So realistically, Harper didn't actually accomplish a whole fuck of alot of the military, not as much as he could have in 9 years.