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[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

This is a farmer's invoice for a load of coal he uses to heat his barn.

Screw his animals hey Lemmy, just like those eastern bastards, let them freeze in the dark.

$830 tax on $920 worth of coal.

You just explained exactly why we have a carbon tax. He's heating with coal? Is he Welsh? Is it cultural? Now he has an incentive to join the 21st century in his heating choice. Tell him to go buy a goddamn gas furnace!

Even one of those cool wood pellet furnaces would be better. Coal is some nasty stuff on flues and chimneys.

[uwish]

There is $15.75 cents carbon tax on my methane bill this month. And we are only at $20 / T, and I am still waiting for my utility bill. I like how there has been ZERO cost benefit analysis done on what the true result of a $50/T carbon tax will be. The government can't tell you what it is because they don't know, yet they are making statements that the impact will be negligible. And I am call BS on the only guess they did provide for family cost estimates a year for carbon taxing, as I can clearly demonstrate that my methane bill along will be up $189/year and that's just ONE bill at $20/T. Wait until we hit $50/T.

[Lemmy]

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[uwish]

The gov has admitted they have no idea what the true cost will be, all they have done is an estimated of direct cost to families. That is through, bills, fuel etc. The hidden or indirect costs are everyday goods that come by truck etc. No idea, in fact, I think it was an article you posted!

[Lemmy]

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[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

And back to Redneck's post: aren't agricultural uses of carbon exempt from the tax in Alberta (and BC). Pretty sure they are.

Just for gas and diesel.



If you use Natural Gas for industrial processing, it's also exempt so long as it's not used for heating.

http://finance.alberta.ca/publications/ ... -NG-3.html

I don't think anyone conceived that anyone would still use Coal for heat.

[uwish]

“A carbon tax is a tax on everything that moves, so on top of the direct cost, the cost of food and clothing will rise,” said MacPherson. “There’s also a cost to the investment and economic growth we’ll lose because of this.”

The Alberta government indicated the carbon tax will be ‘revenue neutral,’ but hasn’t explained how.

“Revenue neutral always means revenue neutral for government, not for taxpayers,” said MacPherson. “In BC, the tax credits given back to taxpayers did not benefit as many people as the carbon tax hurt."

BC’s carbon tax was frozen in the 2013 election after the government admitted it was a burden on taxpayers.

Hidden costs are everything that moves...the governments estimate was only on direct costs, not the indirect costs.

http://www.taxpayer.com/news-releases/n ... ey-re-down

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[bootlegga]

I think the word Phillips is looking for is resigned to the carbon tax, not acceptance.

As I've said many times, I'm fine with a carbon tax, just not this version of a carbon tax. Even the province's progressive opposition (Liberals and Alberta Party) voted against the tax.

I certainly don't like the idea of giving 60% of Alberta households rebates, as it reduces people's incentive to reduce their carbon footprint. It's one thing to give the bottom 20% a break, but 60%?

As Greg Clark noted:

$1:

After crunching the numbers comparing the aggregate rebate amount to energy consumption, the Alberta Party estimates Albertans will be overpaid by $225 million over a two-year span of the program.

"Look, I think there's a political agenda here from the NDP," Alberta Party Leader Greg Clark said Tuesday.

Clark said his party came up with the calculations using Statistics Canada's social policy simulation database and model.

"I think they're trying to bribe Albertans with not only their own money, but with other people's money, to get them on board with their carbon tax plan," he said, portraying the rebates as ineffective and overly generous.

For those earning less than $80,000 a year, Clark said, the rebates are almost 150 per cent higher than the actual household energy cost. He said that does nothing to persuade Albertans to use less energy.

The NDP can frame this however they want, but this more an income re-distribution scheme than a carbon tax.

I also worry about the notion of using carbon tax revenue to fund projects - the PCs ran the province for more than 4 decades and still made lots of mistakes when they tried picking winners in the market (Gainers, Principal Trust, etc.), and I doubt am inexperienced government like Notley's is going to do any better.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

Accepting the carbon tax...

As if the population can do something about it ?

You can but you folks aren't quite there yet.

[Tricks]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

This is a farmer's invoice for a load of coal he uses to heat his barn.

Screw his animals hey Lemmy, just like those eastern bastards, let them freeze in the dark.

$830 tax on $920 worth of coal.

You just explained exactly why we have a carbon tax. He's heating with coal? Is he Welsh? Is it cultural? Now he has an incentive to join the 21st century in his heating choice. Tell him to go buy a goddamn gas furnace!

This. Who the fuck heats with coal?

[uwish]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I think the word Phillips is looking for is resigned to the carbon tax, not acceptance.

As I've said many times, I'm fine with a carbon tax, just not this version of a carbon tax. Even the province's progressive opposition (Liberals and Alberta Party) voted against the tax.

I certainly don't like the idea of giving 60% of Alberta households rebates, as it reduces people's incentive to reduce their carbon footprint. It's one thing to give the bottom 20% a break, but 60%?

As Greg Clark noted:

$1:

After crunching the numbers comparing the aggregate rebate amount to energy consumption, the Alberta Party estimates Albertans will be overpaid by $225 million over a two-year span of the program.

"Look, I think there's a political agenda here from the NDP," Alberta Party Leader Greg Clark said Tuesday.

Clark said his party came up with the calculations using Statistics Canada's social policy simulation database and model.

"I think they're trying to bribe Albertans with not only their own money, but with other people's money, to get them on board with their carbon tax plan," he said, portraying the rebates as ineffective and overly generous.

For those earning less than $80,000 a year, Clark said, the rebates are almost 150 per cent higher than the actual household energy cost. He said that does nothing to persuade Albertans to use less energy.

The NDP can frame this however they want, but this more an income re-distribution scheme than a carbon tax.

I also worry about the notion of using carbon tax revenue to fund projects - the PCs ran the province for more than 4 decades and still made lots of mistakes when they tried picking winners in the market (Gainers, Principal Trust, etc.), and I doubt am inexperienced government like Notley's is going to do any better.

He doesn't' want to hear that, it's against his climate religion!

[fifeboy]

uwish uwish:

There is $15.75 cents carbon tax on my methane bill this month. And we are only at $20 / T

Simple solution...stop eating so much soy!

[uwish]

it might be funny now, but when it hits $50/T and people can't make payments, don't come whining to me about it, and don't expect any handouts.