[Zipperfish]

martin14 martin14:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BRAH BRAH:

The same media who were in bed with the Clinton campaign, ok cool.

The same thing happened in Canada with Harper. Al the newspapers came out behind him. What's your point?

Now look who is lying.

Newspapers Endorsements in the 2015 Canadian Election:

Conservatives: Calgary Sun, Edmonton Sun, Ottawa Sun, Toronto Sun, Winnipeg Sun, Calgary Herald, Edmonton Journal, London Free Press, Montreal Gazette, National Post, The Province, Regina Leader Post, StarPhoenix, Vancouver Sun, Windsor Sun, Globe and Mail, Suburban.

Liberals: Burlington Post, Guelph Mercury, Hamilton Spectator, Oakville Beaver, Toronto Star, Waterloo Region Record, Charlottetown Guardian, Gastown Gazette
La Presse, Northern Life.

Apart from the Toronto Star and La Presse, mostly small town newspapers.

In the last election, the same as the two election before that, all four major dailies in Vancouver, where I live, endorsed the Conservatives.

Postmedia directed all its newspapers to endorse Harper. The National Post distinguished itself by the unanimity of opinion amongst all its editorial writers, which led to the resignation of Andrew Coyne, wen his dissenting editorial was denied permission for publication by Postmedia.

[DrCaleb]

[BRAH]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BRAH BRAH:

The same media who were in bed with the Clinton campaign, ok cool.

The same thing happened in Canada with Harper. Al the newspapers came out behind him. What's your point?

This is about the US media's loss of credibility because they were caught in bed with the Clinton campaign it's not about Harper, nice try moving the goal posts.

[DrCaleb]

BRAH BRAH:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BRAH BRAH:

The same media who were in bed with the Clinton campaign, ok cool.

The same thing happened in Canada with Harper. Al the newspapers came out behind him. What's your point?

This is about the US media's loss of credibility because they were caught in bed with the Clinton campaign it's not about Harper, nice try moving the goal posts.

No, it's about the White House intentionally lying to the people. Did you read the article?

Nice try on moving the goal posts.

[PJB]

There will be so many lies disguised as "alternate facts" in the next four years that absolutely no one will believe anyone anymore.

[DrCaleb]

I don't believe you.

[Zipperfish]

There's something not right about this CNN panel on the women's marches, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

There's something not right about this CNN panel on the women's marches, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[DrCaleb]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

There's something not right about this CNN panel on the women's marches, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Her dress is too brightly coloured. Must be that.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Lemmy Lemmy:

In other words, it's the replacement of facts with lies.

True.

How many liberal media polls told you that Hillary was inevitable?

Let me counter that by telling you how many accurately projected Trump as the winner by refusing to oversample Democrats or to 'adjust' their results when they didn't get the result they wanted:

One.

Just the LA Times was the ONLY liberal media outlet that got the polling right on Trump through much of the primary and into the general election.

The rest of them lied to you.

That's why they're not going to have a friendly relationship with this man because this man isn't Bush who will suck it up and put up with these assholes. Trump isn't there for appearances and he certainly isn't in DC to play the same old games with these assholes.

A poll prediction that doesn't come true isn't a lie.

Saying that something happened when the whole world watched the exact opposite happen is a lie.

Calling the media "fake news" because they won't report your lies is a lie.

What's pathetic is that Trump is squandering what little credibility his administration has by insisting on telling a YOOOGE lie and attacking the press.... over something as insignificant and petty as how many people came to his party - as if that was something even important. What a fucking loser!

Even George W Bush knew that you only use option for the really big things, like spending $2 Trillion to kill/wound tens of thousands of American soldiers and a half million civilians. Now there's something to poison your well and burn your bridges over!

[BeaverFever]

PJB PJB:

There will be so many lies disguised as "alternate facts" in the next four years that absolutely no one will believe anyone anymore.

I have a feeling that the phrase "Alternate Facts" is going to be the catchphrase/soundbite of this era.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

Trump's Big Lie imperils the republic: David Andelman

USA Today

David A. Andelman Published 2:25 p.m. ET Jan. 23, 2017 | Updated 32 minutes ago


Demonizing independent media and canonizing propagandists is the hallmark of autocracies.


There is an existential danger to the republic in the Big Lie that Donald Trump spoke in front of the Memorial Wall at the Central Intelligence Agency on the first full day of his presidency, and that his press secretary elaborated on only hours later from the podium in the White House press room. “I have a running war with the media,” the new president said. “They are among the most dishonest human beings on earth.”

Trump, the consummate marketer, understands that if you repeat a lie long enough, eventually people — even those far outside his inner circle or most fervent supporters — will believe it. The concept began even before Hitler’s propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels embraced it as a core tenet of the Third Reich: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Already one of the themes of the Trump presidency is that all journalists are liars, the press is unrelievedly corrupt, and the media is in no sense to be trusted as a check on the power of the presidency. When that sinks deeply into the American psyche, it could persist far beyond even his four-year term and will be far more difficult to eradicate.

The consequences are pernicious, indeed potentially lethal. They go far beyond the undoubtedly toxic influences of fake news, the failure or inability of the American people to distinguish between truth and lies, and the astonishing willingness of the Trump administration to embrace “alternative facts” as an acceptable standard. Moreover, with the demonization of most national news media and the canonization of a sliver of fierce loyalists, they risk creating the two-tiered system of propaganda that is the hallmark of autocracies.

Trump vs. 'lying, disgusting' media: Gabriel Schoenfeld
Obama's lame-duck spy caper: David Andelman
In Russia, China and many other countries, a free or opposition press has been attacked and sometimes suppressed entirely, while government-controlled media outlets are elevated to pedestals. This in turn has translated into repeated cases of journalists being physically attacked and even murdered with impunity, and the right to lock up journalists has gone unquestioned. Last year, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), 259 journalists were imprisoned worldwide and 48 were killed.

New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman told a Society of the Silurians lunch last month how doxing — posting her home address and phone number, on white-supremacist websites — led to vicious, anti-Semitic letters delivered to her home. “I have an 11-year-old who is very inquisitive and very aware, and who felt very traumatized by this,” Haberman said. “Because what Trump doesn't think about is how an 11-year-old thinks when his parent is being attacked.”

Where this is headed is not yet clear. What is clear is Trump's unrelieved commitment, unprecedented in American history, to spreading the idea of a corrupt, lying U.S. press.His drumbeat of hatred directed at the media, which has been embraced and magnified by his aides, is intensifying an already toxic environment of mistrust. Between June 2015 when he declared his candidacy and last Dec. 6, Trump tweeted 613 insults directed at reporters or media outlets, according to a New York Times tabulation.

Don't panic about 'alternative facts': Column
"He has, in effect, created an environment that is fostering incivility across the web and particularly against journalists who he has specifically targeted in his tweets and press conferences," Michelle Ferrier, a former journalist and founder of TrollBusters, a digital tool to combat online harassment, told CPJ.

For more than two centuries, since Edmund Burke opened Britain’s House of Commons to members of the press in 1787, the core of American democracy — enshrined in the First Amendment of the Constitution — has been the concept Burke called the Fourth Estate: the press as the one institution independent of the three branches of government that serves as a check or monitor on their activities.

Trump placed his hand on two Bibles to swear his allegiance to that Constitution. Hopefully he will embrace all its principles going forward.

David A. Andelman, a member of the USA TODAY Board of Contributors, is editor-emeritus of World Policy Journal and author of A Shattered Peace: Versailles 1919 and the Price We Pay Today. Follow him on Twitter @DavidAndelman.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /96927484/

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

even before Hitler’s propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels embraced it as a core tenet of the Third Reich: “

You Goodwined yourself in by the second paragraph. Truly well done.


A leftist writer working for a biased MSM invokes Hitler, Goebbels, and
our oh so precious straight up truth telling journalists being killed
in less than 100 words.


Pathetic.

[2Cdo]

martin14 martin14:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

even before Hitler’s propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels embraced it as a core tenet of the Third Reich: “

You Goodwined yourself in by the second paragraph. Truly well done.


A leftist writer working for a biased MSM invokes Hitler, Goebbels, and
our oh so precious straight up truth telling journalists being killed
in less than 100 words.


Pathetic.

Kenmore 2.0

[Thanos]

Nan. Kenny's posts were little more than two or three sentences that basically were just "GAAAAAAAHHHHHH! I want to kill Stephen Harper!". Dude was a right fuckin' loon.