[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fact-check-do-refugees-get-more-financial-help-than-canadian-pensioners-1.2670735

Now, where was that CBC report showing the family in Windsor getting over $3500 a month ?

[BartSimpson]

BF, Vice has a chart from Citizenship and Immigration Canada embedded in this article:

https://news.vice.com/article/most-syri ... verty-line

The one-time 'start up' payment is $5400+/-

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BF, Vice has a chart from Citizenship and Immigration Canada embedded in this article:

https://news.vice.com/article/most-syri ... verty-line

The one-time 'start up' payment is $5400+/-

Would have been four mortgage payments for me. Ineligible for assistance though due to whiteness, maleness, Albertan-ness, or whatever.

[shockedcanadian]

Thanos Thanos:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BF, Vice has a chart from Citizenship and Immigration Canada embedded in this article:

https://news.vice.com/article/most-syri ... verty-line

The one-time 'start up' payment is $5400+/-

Would have been four mortgage payments for me. Ineligible for assistance though due to whiteness, maleness, Albertan-ness, or whatever.

Email Bob Paulson and tell him you want your money redistributed back to taxpayers. He allowed millions to be spent when a number of covert agents chased a couple of nutters on welfare. The entrapment attempts outed in court (after the FBI wisely walked away from the sham), another couple of million in court costs, one of many rackets. All while a real threat was on his way to blowing himself up in London, Ontario...the RCMP and OPP, money NOT well spent as far as their covert operatives go (again, those in uniform DO earn their salaries and deserve some respect).

As much as many need help in Canada and will even more so in the future when NAFTA is shredded, this money is a drop in the bucket compared to what the real conmen in the security apparatus are spending. All this AND they cost us allies. You can't get much lower than these traitors.

Canadians would gladly trade costs of resettling these refugees if we could get rid of those who "play the game" for self benefit, at the cost to the taxpayer. Let's put things in perspective here and compare accordingly. It's not even close.

[Thanos]

lolwut?

[shockedcanadian]

Thanos Thanos:

lolwut?

You complain about the waste of money on one, but not the other. When you compare the reasons there is no money left for you it's not even close.

[Thanos]

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The majority of the Syrian refugees entering Canada live well under the poverty line and qualify for numerous government assistance programs that are not available to Canadian citizens of even lesser means.

What I just posted is 100% accurate and if you wish to challenge it then do your homework first.

That's always been true for most refugees What is false is that the government assistance is not available to other Canadians

There is a eight-wing fake news story circulating to the contrary but it's just the usual conservative lies. See story here:

Bullshit! From the very article you linked to;

$1:

According to the Canadian Council for Refugees, government-assisted refugees can get some help through the federal Resettlement Assistance Program.
That support is generally available for up to a year. The maximum amount provided is $25,000 per family.

So uh, was that program made available to the refugees of Ft. Mac? Or do only non-Canadians qualify for it?

[BRAH]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

BRAH BRAH:

martin14 martin14:

Truly, we have a blubbering idiot for Prime Minister.

I wonder why, especially now at Christmastime, why he isn't standing outside foodbanks and bawling apologies to those people.

Oh, they are Canadians, that's why.

____________________________
PM Selfie sheds tears for refugees but not Canadians who have lost their jobs, homes etc............oh wait they're Albertans never mind..

Nor FN children that are killing themselves....but hey that's not going to get him any photo ops, and the attention he craves. Insincere piece of shit.

That's a good point but the refugees matter more because they're the Liberals new base.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Unlike Harper, often seen weeping over poor and indigenous. Not.

Righties love to bash lefties for overly generous handouts to undeserving poor people and FN, except when the opposite claim is more convenient.

The difference between right and left charitable donations is that the left prefer the government dole out the money while the right donates their own money.

But I do like how you referred to handouts versus a hand up.

[shockedcanadian]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Unlike Harper, often seen weeping over poor and indigenous. Not.

Righties love to bash lefties for overly generous handouts to undeserving poor people and FN, except when the opposite claim is more convenient.

The difference between right and left charitable donations is that the left prefer the government dole out the money while the right donates their own money.

But I do like how you referred to handouts versus a hand up.

This left vs right argument is bunk. Especially in Canada where there is such a lack of accountability and moral compass on both sides of the aisle. If anyone needs the swamp drained, it's clearly Canada.

The right wanted to build shiny new prisons, spent over $1 billion for two days of security at the G20, even the French who were going to host it the next year ridiculed that amount. We had such clowns and cowards as Julien Fantino, Vic Toews and Steve Blaney operating within the Conservative Party. If this is the garbage that passes for "conservatism" Canada won't be experiencing conservatism anytime soon. Its so bad, none other than former PM Harper crawled out of his bunker to send a "congratulations Donald Trump" message on twitter. Yeah, real courageous, now go back into exile.

Trudeau now has a few fools in his own cabinet, but apparently they are trying to clean up the mess. Their greatest sin is spending and overspending and not allowing the free market to thrive. If he can overturn C-51 and tell Ontario for instance, "we are cutting your transfer payments", there would be great steps. Until then, he's leading another failed government.

Oh, and Trump just announced that a major Japanese businessman is investing a tonne of money in the U.S economy (CNN put the graphic as $50B, but I can't believe that amount so I will wait), resulting in 50,000 new jobs. THAT'S leadership, not the uselessness we have seen over the last three decades in Canada as we become the most socialist country in the West, spitting on the free market and individual rights. Wynne and John Tory were over in Japan, came back and had nothing to announce. Nice vacation eh?!

Maybe the RCMP and OPP will drive the economy! Good luck Canada!

[shockedcanadian]

And indeed, it is $50Billion. We are going to get crushed, absolutely crushed.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-0 ... 0-new-jobs

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

That's always been true for most refugees What is false is that the government assistance is not available to other Canadians

Yup. All those Ukrainian, Irish, and Scottish immigrants who settled the west at the turn of the 19th century were very thankful for all the Gov't assistance they got which included such niceties as a train ticket and a map to a plot of unattended prairie. Or, how about all those Chinese immigrants who got the Gov't benefits for building the Canadian Pacific Railroad, or how about the Indians who received gov't benefits available to people working in isolated logging camps.

I could go on and on but suffice to say that it hasn't been true for most immigrants to Canada and is a relatively recent phenomenon. Right up to the 50's as an immigrant you were expected to make your own way in life once you hit our shores and had to rely on your community or church rather than the Gov't for any assistance.

[BeaverFever]

Refugees get the same welfare assistance and education/job search that's available to regular Canadian families.

As for the one-time start up fee of $5k that's a NOMINAL AMOUNT for a family and because there are direct and immediate cost that all new arrivals to a country will face, such as steep deposits because they have no credit history among many others. And ifyou think that the government doesn't process "startup costs" to regular Canadians from the day we're born to public schools to univeral child tax benefit, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Refugees get the same welfare assistance and education/job search that's available to regular Canadian families.

As for the one-time start up fee of $5k that's a NOMINAL AMOUNT for a family and because there are direct and immediate cost that all new arrivals to a country will face, such as steep deposits because they have no credit history among many others. And ifyou think that the government doesn't process "startup costs" to regular Canadians from the day we're born to public schools to univeral child tax benefit, you don't know what you're talking about.

Are you talking to me?