[DrCaleb]

What the very sparse article neglects is that more than half of the immigrants, 172,500, are to be 'skilled or with work experience'.

It's fun to watch people wrap themselves up in partisanship given a lack of information.

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In 2017, economic immigration programs will see an overall increase of 7% over 2016. Immigrants with skills and experience are able to quickly contribute to the Canadian economy and society, improving life for the middle class as they help create jobs, spur innovation and strengthen communities.

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mth ... id=1145319

[Lemmy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's fun to watch people wrap themselves up in partisanship given a lack of information.

Except it's not fun. It's an infuriating embarrassment to decent human beings.

"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand. Ignorance and prejudice, and fear walk hand in hand" - N. Peart

[andyt]

Yes, but we've seen how many of these skilled/work experience immigrants then have to take crap jobs because they can't get hired in their fields. They lack English, or their credentials aren't accepted here, or they can't prove their experience to the satisfaction of the employer, and so on. The govt does a poor job of matching immigrants with jobs. Apparently the one exception is the program that allows provinces to select the immigrant and match them with a job, but that's a small part of the program. And the large number of family reunification immigrants will also just be a drain on the system, not a help.

Before we keep bringing in immigrants to fill our skilled jobs, we should be doing a much better job of training our own people to be first in line for them. Then, we would need a system that actually finds a specific immigrant to take a specifi skilled job to fill in the gaps. One proposal was to reduce immigration but expand temp work permits, with immigrants then easily transitioning to pr status if things work out.

[Lemmy]

New immigrants don't need skills. They need work ethic, which they have. They'll use that to start their own ventures and maybe hire some of our home-grown, lazy, entitled Millennials who are the real source of oversupply to the Canadian labour market.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

What the very sparse article neglects is that more than half of the immigrants, 172,500, are to be 'skilled or with work experience'.

So that means about half of those people will show up without actually being able
to qualify to immigrate legally, and will be given a free ride.

Cool.

[BRAH]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

What the very sparse article neglects is that more than half of the immigrants, 172,500, are to be 'skilled or with work experience'.

So that means about half of those people will show up without actually being able
to qualify to immigrate legally, and will be given a free ride.

Cool.

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's fun to watch people wrap themselves up in partisanship given a lack of information.

Except it's not fun. It's an infuriating embarrassment to decent human beings.

"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand. Ignorance and prejudice, and fear walk hand in hand" - N. Peart

Indeed.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's fun to watch people wrap themselves up in partisanship given a lack of information.

Reminds me of the post I did a few years ago where a bunch of CKA members slammed George Bush for his abject and total ignorance, racism, and etc. that was exhibited in a series of quotes I'd posted.

Except that the quotes were correctly attributed to B.H. Obama.

[andyt]

Maybe their judgement isn't so far off, when we have an "expert" like Lemmy telling us we don't need skilled workers, just warm bodies. If the same type of "experts" have the government's ear, there certainly does seem cause for concern.

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

Maybe their judgement isn't so far off, when we have an "expert" like Lemmy telling us we don't need skilled workers, just warm bodies. If the same type of "experts" have the government's ear, there certainly does seem cause for concern.

Jesus, andy, when did I ever say we don't need skilled workers? Of course we need skilled workers. But "skilled" is something that can be learned here. What's more important is to find people willing to work hard and, therefore, to BECOME skilled. And we need that from immigration because young homegrown Canadians, by and large, haven't the taste for hard work of any sort.

[andyt]

Well, we've seen the results of that sort of policy, with immigrants even suing the govt for being sold a bill of goods. So what's your plan for all the supposedly lazy millennials that are displaced by these hard working immigrants and can't find work of any sort - there's a recipe for a peaceful, cohesive society.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's fun to watch people wrap themselves up in partisanship given a lack of information.

Reminds me of the post I did a few years ago where a bunch of CKA members slammed George Bush for his abject and total ignorance, racism, and etc. that was exhibited in a series of quotes I'd posted.

Except that the quotes were correctly attributed to B.H. Obama.

I recall that' and it was indeed effective. And satisfyingly evil.

A similar thing is happening here. People are whinging about the bad lazy and violent Immigrants, despite previously being shown that immigration isn't even at record levels; that immigrants tend to be the most law abiding and tend to be from the Euro zone or Scandanavia.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/1 ... 06-eng.htm

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/subject-sujet ... m=1&more=0

And remember this, only a couple months ago?

viewtopic.php?t=115971

[Lemmy]

andyt andyt:

Well, we've seen the results of that sort of policy, with immigrants even suing the govt for being sold a bill of goods. So what's your plan for all the supposedly lazy millennials that are displaced by these hard working immigrants and can't find work of any sort - there's a recipe for a peaceful, cohesive society.

Never said I had all the answers. But restricting immigration isn't it. As for lazy millennials, I'd send 'em all to the Canadian Forces for a couple of years of smartening-the-hell-up.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

andyt andyt:

Well, we've seen the results of that sort of policy, with immigrants even suing the govt for being sold a bill of goods. So what's your plan for all the supposedly lazy millennials that are displaced by these hard working immigrants and can't find work of any sort - there's a recipe for a peaceful, cohesive society.

Never said I had all the answers. But restricting immigration isn't it. As for lazy millennials, I'd send 'em all to the Canadian Forces for a couple of years of smartening-the-hell-up.

And I can tell you that the Forces don't want them either.

[Lemmy]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

And I can tell you that the Forces don't want them either.

I know. We'd be asking a lot of you guys to make grown-ups of this lot.