[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Equalization payments to Quebec is nothing new, I don't know how you can honestly carp about Trudeau "deciding to give away the kingdoms riches". Especially not 6 weeks into the governments term

Unless you Liberal supporters can come up with proof that the conservatives were going to give the same amount to Quebec then my comments stands.

Hey Newsflash. Quebec has received the lions share of equalization payments EVERY SINGLE YEAR since the program was created. This is not even news of the decade.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Equalization payments to Quebec is nothing new, I don't know how you can honestly carp about Trudeau "deciding to give away the kingdoms riches". Especially not 6 weeks into the governments term

Unless you Liberal supporters can come up with proof that the conservatives were going to give the same amount to Quebec then my comments stands.

Hey Newsflash. Quebec has received the lions share of equalization payments EVERY SINGLE YEAR since the program was created. This is not even news of the decade.

Once again allow me to congratulate you on your childish third grade insult. It's a definite improvement the usual first grade ones you use.

With that aside here's a bulletin. You still didn't show me where the Conservatives were going to give that much money to Quebec and until you do, your just avoiding my question by using stupid insults as a tactic to cover your lack of proof.

[Freakinoldguy]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

I do believe the term "news" originated from people discussing "new things," "new events," "new happenings," etc. Eventually all the terms got abbreviated into one word, "news." If the news isn't new, it isn't news. It may be old though, so maybe we can make a new word for old events, happenings, and things, "olds," which this story would be.

Here's the actual definition from the Merriam Webster dictionary which is alot broader than just "new" information.

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Full Definition of news
1
a : a report of recent events
b : previously unknown information <I've got news for you>
c : something having a specified influence or effect <the rain was good news for lawns and gardens — Garrison Keillor> <the virus was bad news>
2
a : material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast
b : matter that is newsworthy

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Unless you Liberal supporters can come up with proof that the conservatives were going to give the same amount to Quebec then my comments stands.

Hey Newsflash. Quebec has received the lions share of equalization payments EVERY SINGLE YEAR since the program was created. This is not even news of the decade.

Once again allow me to congratulate you on your childish third grade insult. It's a definite improvement the usual first grade ones you use.

With that aside here's a bulletin. You still didn't show me where the Conservatives were going to give that much money to Quebec and until you do, your just avoiding my question by using stupid insults as a tactic to cover your lack of proof.

I fail to see the insult that Beaver threw at you.

Anyway, are you seriously suggesting that the feds just sit around muse about how much to give in equalization? From your own article:

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The constitutionally guaranteed equalization program will redistribute nearly $18 billion in 2016-17 to poorer provinces, where the cash will help fund public services.

And a rightie in the piece is quoted as saying

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Well, the formula is the formula and we're a have province," Saskatchewan Finance Minister Kevin Doherty told the news conference following the talks.

so he doesn't seem as bent out of shape as you are. Also, as I pointed out earlier, PEI gets by far the largest amount per capita, while Quebec gets the lowest. Are you suggesting that's unfair?

[BeaverFever]

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I fail to see the insult that Beaver threw at you.

Oh. I think he thinks I was calling him "Newsflash" as like a sarcastic nickname, because he was in a thing about whether this article from December is actually still "news". That's kinda funny actually.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

[quoteI fail to see the insult that Beaver threw at you.

Oh. I think he thinks I was calling him "Newsflash" as like a sarcastic nickname, because he was in a thing about whether this article from December is actually still "news". That's kinda funny actually.[/quote]

Not at all and as the matter of fact "make the world a better place" I kind of get a kick out of the derogatory names you try and use when addressing a reply to me.

But here's a question that you might be able to answer.

Why did Quebec's share of equalization payments go from 48.63% in 2013/14 to over 55.555% this year? That seems like an awfully big increase given the fiscal climate and if it's in the "formula" then the formula has to be changed to reflect reality and not just political pandering.

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Per capita benefit is derived from provincial population data in other Wiki articles and the total payments cited below.

Quebec will receive the most from equalization payments in the 2013-2014 year.[3]
However, per capita, PEI benefits the most. In the 2013-2014 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments:[3]

Quebec ($7.833 billion)
Ontario ($3.169 billion)
Manitoba ($1.792 billion)
New Brunswick ($1.513 billion)
Nova Scotia ($1.458 billion)
Prince Edward Island ($340 million)
The following provinces will not qualify for equalization payments in 2013-2014:[3]

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland and Labrador
British Columbia

Between 2013 and the end of 2015 their provincial population went up a grand total of 108,000 people which, unless the formula has a bonus clause for population increases doesn't warrant that kind of a jump in transfer payments.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableau ... 2a-eng.htm

[bootlegga]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

bootlegga bootlegga:

My point was that this is no longer news, and so shouldn't be posted in the news section.

And for the record, Trudeau wasn't in power for "just over two months" - he was in office for 6 weeks (Nov. 4 was when he and Cabinet were sworn in) - and most of that time (Nov 14 - Dec 16) was spent sitting in the House.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/house ... ar2016.pdf

Odds are, that decision was made well before the election was called and Trudeau had nothing to do with it.

Having said that, I think he should have re-distributed it better, but equalization is a BS form of welfare that will never work in the have-province's favour.

I'm glad to know that news has an expiry date. It'll make my ignoring of anything untoward's the Conservatives have done before yesterday that much easier.

Ahh, yes, lets keep being obtuse Warden Norton...

I simply pointed out that this would have been better used in the Rants/Raves section, not the news section.

But hey, if you want to post old BS and try and pass it off as news, feel free to post the "breaking news" that Germany invaded Poland next Thursday...

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Not at all and as the matter of fact "make the world a better place" I kind of get a kick out of the derogatory names you try and use when addressing a reply to me.

But here's a question that you might be able to answer.

Why did Quebec's share of equalization payments go from 48.63% in 2013/14 to over 55.555% this year? That seems like an awfully big increase given the fiscal climate and if it's in the "formula" then the formula has to be changed to reflect reality and not just political pandering.

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Per capita benefit is derived from provincial population data in other Wiki articles and the total payments cited below.

Quebec will receive the most from equalization payments in the 2013-2014 year.[3]
However, per capita, PEI benefits the most. In the 2013-2014 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments:[3]

Quebec ($7.833 billion)
Ontario ($3.169 billion)
Manitoba ($1.792 billion)
New Brunswick ($1.513 billion)
Nova Scotia ($1.458 billion)
Prince Edward Island ($340 million)
The following provinces will not qualify for equalization payments in 2013-2014:[3]

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland and Labrador
British Columbia

Between 2013 and the end of 2015 their provincial population went up a grand total of 108,000 people which, unless the formula has a bonus clause for population increases doesn't warrant that kind of a jump in transfer payments.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableau ... 2a-eng.htm

So this happened 6 months into the Liberal reign, but let's rag on the Liberals instead of the Conservatives that had 9 years to fix it?

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

[quoteI fail to see the insult that Beaver threw at you.

Oh. I think he thinks I was calling him "Newsflash" as like a sarcastic nickname, because he was in a thing about whether this article from December is actually still "news". That's kinda funny actually.

Not at all and as the matter of fact "make the world a better place" I kind of get a kick out of the derogatory names you try and use when addressing a reply to me.

But here's a question that you might be able to answer.

Why did Quebec's share of equalization payments go from 48.63% in 2013/14 to over 55.555% this year? That seems like an awfully big increase given the fiscal climate and if it's in the "formula" then the formula has to be changed to reflect reality and not just political pandering.

$1:

Per capita benefit is derived from provincial population data in other Wiki articles and the total payments cited below.

Quebec will receive the most from equalization payments in the 2013-2014 year.[3]
However, per capita, PEI benefits the most. In the 2013-2014 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments:[3]

Quebec ($7.833 billion)
Ontario ($3.169 billion)
Manitoba ($1.792 billion)
New Brunswick ($1.513 billion)
Nova Scotia ($1.458 billion)
Prince Edward Island ($340 million)
The following provinces will not qualify for equalization payments in 2013-2014:[3]

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland and Labrador
British Columbia

Between 2013 and the end of 2015 their provincial population went up a grand total of 108,000 people which, unless the formula has a bonus clause for population increases doesn't warrant that kind of a jump in transfer payments.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableau ... 2a-eng.htm[/quote]


Well it varies somewhat. Here's the Sun carping in 2012 about Harper giving half ti Quebec:

http://torontosun.com/2012/08/17/quebec ... nt-program

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

[quoteI fail to see the insult that Beaver threw at you.

Oh. I think he thinks I was calling him "Newsflash" as like a sarcastic nickname, because he was in a thing about whether this article from December is actually still "news". That's kinda funny actually.

Not at all and as the matter of fact "make the world a better place" I kind of get a kick out of the derogatory names you try and use when addressing a reply to me.

But here's a question that you might be able to answer.

Why did Quebec's share of equalization payments go from 48.63% in 2013/14 to over 55.555% this year? That seems like an awfully big increase given the fiscal climate and if it's in the "formula" then the formula has to be changed to reflect reality and not just political pandering.

$1:

Per capita benefit is derived from provincial population data in other Wiki articles and the total payments cited below.

Quebec will receive the most from equalization payments in the 2013-2014 year.[3]
However, per capita, PEI benefits the most. In the 2013-2014 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments:[3]

Quebec ($7.833 billion)
Ontario ($3.169 billion)
Manitoba ($1.792 billion)
New Brunswick ($1.513 billion)
Nova Scotia ($1.458 billion)
Prince Edward Island ($340 million)
The following provinces will not qualify for equalization payments in 2013-2014:[3]

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland and Labrador
British Columbia

Between 2013 and the end of 2015 their provincial population went up a grand total of 108,000 people which, unless the formula has a bonus clause for population increases doesn't warrant that kind of a jump in transfer payments.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableau ... 2a-eng.htm

Well it varies somewhat. Here's the Sun carping in 2012 about Harper giving half ti Quebec:

http://torontosun.com/2012/08/17/quebec ... nt-program[/quote]


Don't worry because I agree. The Conservatives had over a decade to fix this like the Liberals did in the decades before. The problem is endemic to Canadian politics not Canadian finances and when all is said and done it's all nothing more than political pandering. But, I still stand by my statement that Quebec is taking far more money than she should if things were done on a completely fair fiscal level rather than on a buying votes level.


But for the record I'd like to know how Quebec fell that far below the national average to garner even more money than they did when times were good especially since the former "have provinces" are now going broke. But since no Provinces actually pay transfer payments and it's all taken out of our tax dollars it's much easier to hide the real cost in a bunch of red tape.

[Freakinoldguy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

bootlegga bootlegga:

My point was that this is no longer news, and so shouldn't be posted in the news section.

And for the record, Trudeau wasn't in power for "just over two months" - he was in office for 6 weeks (Nov. 4 was when he and Cabinet were sworn in) - and most of that time (Nov 14 - Dec 16) was spent sitting in the House.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/house ... ar2016.pdf

Odds are, that decision was made well before the election was called and Trudeau had nothing to do with it.

Having said that, I think he should have re-distributed it better, but equalization is a BS form of welfare that will never work in the have-province's favour.

I'm glad to know that news has an expiry date. It'll make my ignoring of anything untoward's the Conservatives have done before yesterday that much easier.

Ahh, yes, lets keep being obtuse Warden Norton...

I simply pointed out that this would have been better used in the Rants/Raves section, not the news section.

But hey, if you want to post old BS and try and pass it off as news, feel free to post the "breaking news" that Germany invaded Poland next Thursday...

No problem and if you missed that headline the first time around I'd have been more than happy to post it again to make sure you heard about it. Pretty much as I did with this one since it was apparently missed in the euphoria of the new gov'ts inauguration.