[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

That's because they were his primary influence. Not Islam.

Are you sure?

Or is that more just hopeful thinking.

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The Munich Shooter Is Driving the Mainstream Media Nuts

By Steve Chambers

Ali David Sonboly, the young man who shot up Munich last week, killing 9 mostly young people and wounding dozens of others, is driving the mainstream media nuts. It’s so bad, they can’t even decide what they want to call him. Is it Ali David Sonboly, or David Ali Sonboy, or just David Sonboy, as the primly and properly PC BBC tried to have it?

But now it’s really getting confusing. As this article from the Mirror, among many others, now reports, Sonboly “reportedly saw it as an ‘honour’ that he had the same birthday as the Nazi leader [Hitler] - April 20,” “was proud to be a German-Iranian ‘Aryan,’” and “felt ‘superior’ to those of either [Turk or Arab] origin.” These discoveries greatly aggravate the already severe disorientation that the MSM has suffered over his motives. It seems that some among them think Sonboly was a neo-Nazi Irano-Aryan acolyte of Breivik – anything, please, but a Muslim.

So, was this young man just a “lazy” and “chubby” misfit who moved from depression to derangement and then obsession with mass murder for fascist reasons, or was he acting out of some influence of radical Islam? Or aren’t both possible?

Let’s go back to the Mirror’s points and unpack them, particularly for the benefit of those in the MSM who have delicate sensibilities about all things Islamic and Muslim and who avert their eyes from anything critical of their precious pet community. Here are some rather simple points from Islamic history.

Islamism, the revivalist version of Islam supported by large numbers of Muslims worldwide, borrows heavily from both communism and fascism. Eric Hoffer explained all that back in the 1950s. More explicitly, there were close historical alliances between the Nazis and the radical Muslims of the day. Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, had ties to Hitler, helped Himmler recruit Muslim troops for the SS, and collaborated with the Nazis on paramilitary operations in the Mideast. In recent times, Muslim clerics have praised the Nazis’ extermination of Jews even while trying to deny the Holocaust. At the same time, the Iranian government has regularly indulged in Holocaust denial while holding Israel and Jews to be anathema. It should therefore not be surprising that someone proud of his Muslim heritage should also feel proud of sharing a birthday with Hitler – while still having nothing the do with the bête noir of the Left, the political “far Right.”

Speaking of Iran, in light of Sonboly’s Iranian heritage it is not surprising that he would be prejudiced against mostly Sunni Arabs and Turks. The simplest explanation might be that he resented being bullied by Arab and Turk classmates. Yet there could easily be much more than that. Turks and Arabs are the ancient enemies of the Iranians, particularly since the rise of Islam and the almost immediate schism of the community into its Sunni and Shi’a parties. If he had merely listened to his elders, not to mention studied his ancestral history, he could easily have absorbed these atavistic prejudices. In having them, he certainly wouldn’t be alone among Iranians – or vice versa. Moreover, his Sunni Turkish and Arab classmates who bullied him could even have been expressing their own atavistic animosities towards Shi’ites. After all, this circle of secular hate has been rotating for 1,400 years. Why should it not come to Europe with the migrants?

As for his reported affection for the idea that he was Aryan, a dog-whistle to Leftists in the MSM and reported in several outlets, the answer is quite simple: the word Iran is derived from the root of the word “Aryan” and the Iranians proudly see themselves as an Aryan people.

Thus there is nothing particularly surprising about Sonboly’s affinity for Hitler, given his Muslim heritage, nor about his prejudices against Sunni Muslims, nor his self-identification as an Aryan. Nor is it surprising that he has not been connected to ISIS or al-Qaeda, since they are virulently anti-Shi’a Sunni groups. Yet that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t religiously inspired to commit terrorizing murder, nor would such zealous inspiration rule out mental illness. This combination has been noted in numerous other Muslim terrorists.

What is unusual is that a youth with this Shi’a Iranian background went ballistic. In the West, we’ve become so used to the much more common narrative of a Sunni kid going on a rampage that we don’t expect it to happen with a Shi’ite in countries such as Germany – perhaps because there are so few of them. Well, maybe we now have to start recognizing that Shi’ites too can go on sudden jihad.

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[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

andyt andyt:

So if the first few years of your life were hell - give it enough time and you're golden? You may want to review that theory with psychologists.

But not all of these guys are even first generation, ie they never lived in the hell hole. Still, a sick meme like ISIS or jihad can worm itself into somebody's brain who's already sick and they use that to structure their acting out around. They'd still act out without jihad, just call it something else.

Maybe you've noticed the US has lots of native born with mental health issues who also act out. They just use a different story to base their actions on.

And of course you're getting your news preselected here by your fellow foamers and the media they read. Only Muslims acting out make the grade.

So, every murderous, Muslim Jihadi thug living in places like Great Britain is the direct result of a bad experience in some other shithole during childhood and the ones that aren't, are just a few bad apples that ISIS managed to brainwash from afar?

You're going to have to do alot better than that to explain away this number of "bad apples" with your denier psycho babble.

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MI5 and police are watching more than 3,000 homegrown terror suspects willing to attack on British soil
Head of MI5 warns of unprecedented threat from homegrown jihadis
3,000 men and women, mainly in their teens, are being watched in UK
Andrew Parker said six terror plots alone foiled at home in the past year
NHS playing role in identifying people at risk of being radicalised

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -soil.html

Nice twist on the argument. What's the logical fallacy called, reductio absurdum? You were asking about the many that are deemed mentally ill - now you want to expand that to have to apply to all jihadis? Many doesn't mean all, or even most. Many refugees haven mental health problems, and as we know that can reverberate thru the generations. Nobody, except you, has claimed this applies to all of them.

You talk about 3000 people on police radar. How often, with these mini jihadis, that are deemed mentally ill, do we hear they weren't on the police radar? They were petty criminals acting like they had a mental problem. Do you see the difference between them and the 3000?

You call what I said psychobabble. Maybe, but you seem to live in a very simplistic, black and white, world.

[BRAH]

Nothing to see here move along.

[stratos]

$1:

That's because they were his primary influence. Not Islam.

Is that in the article? I just scanned it so may have missed that being said. I'm kind of wondering how in just a few hours after the attack they have come to the conclusion on who or what influenced him to do this.

[andyt]

Funny. The brain trust on CKA has no problem concluding immediately what influenced a mass killer if he has a Muslim name. Maybe they were at work on this case too?

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Funny. The brain trust on CKA has no problem concluding immediately what influenced a mass killer if he has a Muslim name. Maybe they were at work on this case too?

What we have no problem concluding is that if these rotten fucks weren't in our countries to begin with they wouldn't be HERE trying to kill us.

But thanks to shitheads like yourself who hate Western civilization and who love its enemies we have them here.

And now the tide is turning against them and against their shithead allies.

It's just a matter of time now before those vipers do something that no amount of kiss-ass behavior on your part can excuse and then they'll either be marched into the sea or slaughtered.

You might want to go find a hole to hide in when that happens.

[stratos]

If it's reported that witnesses claim the killer shouted Islamic slogans or made announcements about being supportive of ISIS then yes it is VERY easy to conclude what influence him or her to do the killing(s).

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Funny. The brain trust on CKA has no problem concluding immediately what influenced a mass killer if he has a Muslim name. Maybe they were at work on this case too?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -year.html

Here, even the neighbor, a BBC guy, says the 'mental health' blah blah is bullshit.
And he's not white either, so you can actually read the article.
Maybe you can stop when they get to the 'devout muslim' part.

[BRAH]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

Funny. The brain trust on CKA has no problem concluding immediately what influenced a mass killer if he has a Muslim name. Maybe they were at work on this case too?

What we have no problem concluding is that if these rotten fucks weren't in our countries to begin with they wouldn't be HERE trying to kill us.

But thanks to shitheads like yourself who hate Western civilization and who love its enemies we have them here.

And now the tide is turning against them and against their shithead allies.

It's just a matter of time now before those vipers do something that no amount of kiss-ass behavior on your part can excuse and then they'll either be marched into the sea or slaughtered.

You might want to go find a hole to hide in when that happens.

[BartSimpson]

Boom!

[xerxes]

stratos stratos:

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That's because they were his primary influence. Not Islam.

Is that in the article? I just scanned it so may have missed that being said. I'm kind of wondering how in just a few hours after the attack they have come to the conclusion on who or what influenced him to do this.

Not in that article. but this one. And it wasn't right after, it was about a day or so later after the police started investigating.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

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In a raid on his family apartment in an affluent suburb of Munich, police discovered extremist material linked to mass shootings, including the attack by Anders Behring Breivik, the white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

The massacre in Munich took place on the fifth anniversary of the Norway attacks and Sonboly had recently changed a profile picture on an online messaging service to one of Breivik.

Sonboly also had documents relating to a gun attack on a school in Bavaria in 2009 in which 16 teenagers were killed as well as a book called Why Kids Kill: Inside The Minds of School Shooters.

On the day of the attack, according to the newspaper Bild, Sonboly told associates via a computer game message: “Come to the McDonald’s and I will come and get you and shoot you.”

[stratos]

xerxes xerxes:

stratos stratos:

$1:

That's because they were his primary influence. Not Islam.

Is that in the article? I just scanned it so may have missed that being said. I'm kind of wondering how in just a few hours after the attack they have come to the conclusion on who or what influenced him to do this.

Not in that article. but this one. And it wasn't right after, it was about a day or so later after the police started investigating.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

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In a raid on his family apartment in an affluent suburb of Munich, police discovered extremist material linked to mass shootings, including the attack by Anders Behring Breivik, the white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

The massacre in Munich took place on the fifth anniversary of the Norway attacks and Sonboly had recently changed a profile picture on an online messaging service to one of Breivik.

Sonboly also had documents relating to a gun attack on a school in Bavaria in 2009 in which 16 teenagers were killed as well as a book called Why Kids Kill: Inside The Minds of School Shooters.

On the day of the attack, according to the newspaper Bild, Sonboly told associates via a computer game message: “Come to the McDonald’s and I will come and get you and shoot you.”

Cool thanks for the clarification

[martin14]

xerxes xerxes:

extremist material linked to mass shootings, including the attack by Anders Behring Breivik, the white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

So for this, he is a Hitlerboi, and not a normal jihadi.


And let's note xerxes hasn't uttered a word about all the other attacks in Europe
over the last 2 weeks, but has a real hard on for this guy, because it 'might' fit his narrative.

'Might'.

[xerxes]

martin14 martin14:

xerxes xerxes:

extremist material linked to mass shootings, including the attack by Anders Behring Breivik, the white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

So for this, he is a Hitlerboi, and not a normal jihadi.


And let's note xerxes hasn't uttered a word about all the other attacks in Europe
over the last 2 weeks, but has a real hard on for this guy, because it 'might' fit his narrative.

'Might'.

That and all the other evidence that says he was influenced by that fuckface Brevik and other mass killers and not the fuckfaces in ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

But why let facts get in the way of your default Muslim hatred right? I mean just because this shooter appeared to be obsessed with people like Brevik, it doesn't negate his brown skin and nationality. Even though all the evidence to the contrary, he was brown and Iranian by lineage, so it MUST have been Islam.

[martin14]

xerxes xerxes:

, so it MUST have been Islam.

Keep that hopeful thinking up.

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At the same time, the Iranian government has regularly indulged in Holocaust denial while holding Israel and Jews to be anathema. It should therefore not be surprising that someone proud of his Muslim heritage should also feel proud of sharing a birthday with Hitler – while still having nothing the do with the bête noir of the Left, the political “far Right.”

Speaking of Iran, in light of Sonboly’s Iranian heritage it is not surprising that he would be prejudiced against mostly Sunni Arabs and Turks. The simplest explanation might be that he resented being bullied by Arab and Turk classmates. Yet there could easily be much more than that. Turks and Arabs are the ancient enemies of the Iranians, particularly since the rise of Islam and the almost immediate schism of the community into its Sunni and Shi’a parties. If he had merely listened to his elders, not to mention studied his ancestral history, he could easily have absorbed these atavistic prejudices. In having them, he certainly wouldn’t be alone among Iranians – or vice versa. Moreover, his Sunni Turkish and Arab classmates who bullied him could even have been expressing their own atavistic animosities towards Shi’ites. After all, this circle of secular hate has been rotating for 1,400 years. Why should it not come to Europe with the migrants?

As for his reported affection for the idea that he was Aryan, a dog-whistle to Leftists in the MSM and reported in several outlets, the answer is quite simple: the word Iran is derived from the root of the word “Aryan” and the Iranians proudly see themselves as an Aryan people.

Thus there is nothing particularly surprising about Sonboly’s affinity for Hitler, given his Muslim heritage, nor about his prejudices against Sunni Muslims, nor his self-identification as an Aryan. Nor is it surprising that he has not been connected to ISIS or al-Qaeda, since they are virulently anti-Shi’a Sunni groups. Yet that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t religiously inspired to commit terrorizing murder, nor would such zealous inspiration rule out mental illness. This combination has been noted in numerous other Muslim terrorists.

Oh and by the way, this thread is about the Norwegian Somali Islamic guy.

Why dont you go shit up the German Afghan Islamic guy thread with this stuff, instead of sliding
this thread ?