[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

The posties got some really great contracts in the 70's, and are fighting to hang on to them. They do need to be flexible, but on the other hand, do we want to drive another group of workers into working at minimum wage?

Nobody is asking anyone to work for minimum wage. In fact, there's a wage increase on the table.

They're currently at just above $24/hour.

herbie herbie:

If you dimwits want to continue to blame its problems on the union, go ahead. If you look you'd see they're 99% entrenched management incompetence and political interference.

I don't see anyone blaming the problems on the union. However, the union has to get in touch with reality, regardless who created it.

[herbie]

It is in touch with reality.
You're not.
You can't get the shit they're bargaining for, because you're not in a union. You don't like them, cuz you don't know what they do or how they work and live in this dreamworld where the Boss is gonna make just so much profit, he'll trickle it down to you because he's a nice guy that gives a shit about you.
If they lose their fight, its no skin off your back. If they win their fight in a pension package might become a standard, and you win from their pain.
But once again, all we hear is the "I don't get that so its ridiculous that they should" argument that has no basis other than in envy.
Should I wave my union HALF PENSION that's 2/3 of what the ole lady makes in a NUTTED GROCERY WORKER two-tiered bullshit union and hear you same clowns say I get more than I deserve or are any of you capable of figuring out it's the other way around?

[peck420]

Would be nice if both sides could stop the rhetoric.

It is rather embarrassing, for both of them.

[OnTheIce]

herbie herbie:

It is in touch with reality.
You're not.
You can't get the shit they're bargaining for, because you're not in a union. You don't like them, cuz you don't know what they do or how they work and live in this dreamworld where the Boss is gonna make just so much profit, he'll trickle it down to you because he's a nice guy that gives a shit about you.
If they lose their fight, its no skin off your back. If they win their fight in a pension package might become a standard, and you win from their pain.
But once again, all we hear is the "I don't get that so its ridiculous that they should" argument that has no basis other than in envy.
Should I wave my union HALF PENSION that's 2/3 of what the ole lady makes in a NUTTED GROCERY WORKER two-tiered bullshit union and hear you same clowns say I get more than I deserve or are any of you capable of figuring out it's the other way around?

No, it's not.

Let's look deeper at facts only.

1. 2 of the other unions within CP have accepted the same deal that was offered to CUPW.

2. One of the unions points it that women in rural areas are paid less. The union agreed to the wage scales that put women in that position.

3. The pension has a shortfall. 6.5 billion.

4. I don't dislike postal workers and I'm pretty well versed on some of their specific jobs.

5. No union change to any pension plan in Canada has ever changed my pension. My pension is 100% self funded.

6. This isn't 1950's. Times change. The jobs and benefits of that era is long gone and expecting otherwise it completely out of touch with reality

The workers won't win this fight. They never win this fight. They'll lose all kinds of money they'll never get back and the new contract will be the same as the one offered now. CUPW doesn't deserve more than the other two unions that have already signed their deal.

[andyt]

Canada Post not essential but not irrelevant, say experts

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada- ... -1.3666606

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I get all my packages via courier, my bills via email, and all CP delivers is flyers. At Christmas, I send postcards via CP, and that's the totality of my use for them. They made themselves irrelevant.

What's Canada Post?

[herbie]

$1:

This isn't 1950's. Times change. The jobs and benefits of that era is long gone and expecting otherwise it completely out of touch with reality

Wasn't posting about you personally, but this is what I was talking about.
No it isn't the 1950s. They didn't swallow the shit fed to them in the 1950s, unlike so many do today. Including nice memes like that one. Ditch the race to the bottom mentality that's made thing suck for 2 generations now.
It's great to have a self funded pension. But that's supposed to be ON TOP of CPP, OAS and your company pension, not the whole shebang.
I blew my RRSPs trying to keep my business afloat and raising kids as a single Dad. Too bad for me, I still do work on top of what I get haven't even tapped the CPP and I'm not complaining about it. But lesson one is if I work, I get paid. Well. Not slinging burgers or a WalMart greeter. Just took a part time summer job for a lousy $16 plus mileage - cuz I was bored. Dump that into RRSPs and write down the taxes on what I make on the other side job. Just cuz it's a different times, you adapt. YOu don't give in.

[Brenda]

Lousy $16?

Many people don't come close to making $16/hr...

[Thanos]

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I get all my packages via courier, my bills via email, and all CP delivers is flyers. At Christmas, I send postcards via CP, and that's the totality of my use for them. They made themselves irrelevant.

What's Canada Post?

They're the guys who crop off on average about two pieces of legit mail accompanied by twenty-five flyers per week.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

BRAH BRAH:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I get all my packages via courier, my bills via email, and all CP delivers is flyers. At Christmas, I send postcards via CP, and that's the totality of my use for them. They made themselves irrelevant.

What's Canada Post?

They're the guys who crop off on average about two pieces of legit mail accompanied by twenty-five flyers per week.

Exactly! They are the people who never once delivered mail to my door, but took over the jobs of the teenagers who used to deliver flyers to my door.

[OnTheIce]

herbie herbie:

It's great to have a self funded pension. But that's supposed to be ON TOP of CPP, OAS and your company pension, not the whole shebang.

Just cuz it's a different times, you adapt. YOu don't give in.[/quote]

Company pensions are a thing of the past which is why I have a self-funded pension.

Nobody is asking CUPW memebers to "give in". Like you said, we need to adapt as do companies and the current pension formula at CP isn't sustainable.

No current CP worker will have their pension changed and will receive a wage increase with this new offer.

New workers will be under the new pension plan in order to ensure the old pension plan is properly funded to pay those people that have paid into it for so long.

[bootlegga]

While I tend to dislike unions, we really can't blame CUPW for trying to get as much as they can - after all, aren't they just emulating the greediods on Wall Street and in corporate boardrooms who insist on the absolute best possible remunerations?

Having said that, CUPW aren't negotiating from a position of strength because technology and society has surpassed most of the services they provide. Because of that, I think they need to knock their expectations down to something more realistic, like dropping some of their wage and especially their pension demands.

Unlike most people here, I still receive most bills by mail, mostly because I refuse to subsidize big corporations by reducing their costs and accepting online bills. I only go paperless when they want to charge me for a paper bill, which is becoming more and more common.

herbie herbie:

So tell us how rural customers work guy.
Anything you order from UPS, Fedex ends up in the local Post Office. You pay the premium delivery rate and it ends up in the same place, maybe a day earlier.
The Purolator/DHL stuff goes into the back of some Dollar Store that's only open when you're at work and staffed by min. wage teen idiots more interested in Facebook than in calling you to tell you there's a delivery.

Yep, I used to work for a company that shipped stuff all over rural Alberta and Saskatchewan and we always used Greyhound to courier stuff out, because otherwise the letter/package went to a store and sat in a drawer until they re-opened on Monday.

[Strutz]

Canada Post union calls for 30-day truce for talks without strike or lockout

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-post-union-calls-for-30-day-truce-for-talks-without-strike-or-lockout-1.2978374

[andyt]

Exactly why is CP so eager to lock the workers out? Are they working to rule? Haven't heard about it. If not, they negotiated for 9 months, they can keep negotiating. CP wants to lock them out now because it doesn't want the union to be in a position to strike come Christmas.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Exactly why is CP so eager to lock the workers out? Are they working to rule? Haven't heard about it. If not, they negotiated for 9 months, they can keep negotiating. CP wants to lock them out now because it doesn't want the union to be in a position to strike come Christmas.

Because anyone hired in the meantime, lock into the old pension plan, the plan they're trying to change for new hires.

That and it takes away any leverage the union would have during Christmas. It's a sleepy time of year and few will notice the lack of service.

The members need to take a look at the proposal and see if they really want to risk losing tons of money during the summer.