[BeaverFever]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Expected....predicting.....and the cow jumped over the moon.

Do you have an intelligent argument to make?

[Thanos]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thanos Thanos:

The Ontario manufacturing sector can also add on billions of dollars that didn't get generated from equipment not sold in Alberta and Saskatchewan over the last two years thanks to the oil price collapse. Not that Wynne would care, with her death-to-fossil-fuels mania, but the activity out here created activity down there. That's where the petty regionalism that fuels the politics in this country gets so frustrating. They panic about the interlinked network that's threatened by the Brexit but at the same time they can't even bring themselves to acknowledge the interlinked network inside of Canada that benefited the entire country with jobs and increased tax revenue. Ah well, enjoy being pure as you heat your homes and fuel your cars with scented organic candles, or whatever the fuck it is you think is going to replace gas and oil.

This will shock you, but even during your now-defunct oil boom, we sold more goods and services to the great big world that exists outside Alberta's borders than we ever sold to Alberta. The inflated petro-dollar from the Alberta oil boom made those goods and services more expensive so during the oil boom we lost far more than we gained. It's not a coincidence that this economy came bounding back as soon as the oil prices fell through.

So you care as little about your own businesses that sold equipment to the oil sector as you do about other Canadians that worked directly in that sector? Good to know. Please provide a full list of other occupations you deem expendable to the great mission of achieving your carbon-free utopia. By chance would the list include the auto industry that churns out a million-plus carbon-emitting vehicles per year?

Too bad the oil sands aren't in Ontario or Quebec. None of this petty regionalist shit talk that's born a million times more from the usual condescending anti-Alberta attitude that motivates politics in this stupid country would be happening at all.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

So you care as little about your own businesses that sold equipment to the oil sector as you do about other Canadians that worked directly in that sector? Good to know. Please provide a full list of other occupations you deem expendable to the great mission of achieving your carbon-free utopia

Am I supposed to care more about these oil-sector businesses than the many more businesses that were hurt by the boom? Please provide a list of the occupations that should belong to a privileged, never-to-be-upset oil-based minority, while the majority of Ontarians suffer under exorbitant oil prices that drive up the cost of living and cost hundreds of thousands of jobs to move overseas.

If you want to live by the sword, you have to be prepared to die by the sword. Typical chicken-hawk fashion, that's not what happened. During the oil boom, you wanted to reap all the benefits and said to hell with ROC but with boom comes bust and now somehow your misery is everyone's fault and we're now all subject to your self-righteous rage and complete lack of insight and self-reflection.

Now you think that the 31 million Canadians in the other 9 provinces and 3 territories need to all base their policy decisions on whatever most benefits the 4 million residents of Alberta. The tail doesn't wag the dog.

[PluggyRug]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Expected....predicting.....and the cow jumped over the moon.

Do you have an intelligent argument to make?

It's on the same level as your quote. However, I'm not on a straw grasping exercise.

As suggested by this recent poll, most people know that the McGuinty followed by the Wynne government has been a dismal failure.

[Thanos]

Turnabout is fair play. And it's more than overdue in a country where the economic health of the other regions were sabotaged from the beginning of Confederation in order to benefit Ontario and Quebec. From destroying the natural trade routes the Maritimes used to have up and down the eastern seaboard with the Americans to make sure that the west would remain as commodity-producers only while the Great Lakes got all the industry this country has been rigged from the beginning to benefit central Canada only. At least you creatures down there could be honest about it and admit, just like grandad and great-grandad would, that you don't give a fuck about anything or anyone that isn't in southern Ontario.

[BeaverFever]

$1:

It's on the same level as your quote

No, my post was a quote from a news article, indicating that Ontario was one of the few provinces going to lead the country in growth. Hardly a "dismal failure".

I admit, governments that make tough decisions and long-term investments, are always less popular than those who offer only short-sighted crowd-pleasing gimmick; just like parents that make their kids eat their vegetables are probably less popular than the parents who let their kids eat ice cream for breakfast lunch and dinner.

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

Ontario, B.C. expected to lead provinces in economic growth: Conference Board

Ontario, B.C. expected to lead provinces in economic growth: Conference Board
Waterloo Region Record
OTTAWA — The Conference Board of Canada is predicting Ontario and British Columbia will lead other provinces in terms of economic growth between now and the end of 2017.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/672 ... nce-board/

For the record, Beaver, do you think Kathleen Wynne has done a good job running Ontario?

Yes or No will suffice.

[BeaverFever]

Nobody's perfect and I wouldn't say it's been "excellent", but if the only standard is "good" and my only choices are "yes" and "no" then I will say "Yes".

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Nobody's perfect and I wouldn't say it's been "excellent", but if the only standard is "good" and my only choices are "yes" and "no" then I will say "Yes".

What has she done, specifically, that makes you think she's done a good job?

[BeaverFever]

Off the top of my head:

1) No right-wing austerity: You in particular claimed that it would be unavoidable for her not to lay off 100,000 public sector workers like Hudak wanted to do. What happened to that prediction?

2) ORPP/CPP enhancement: Ontario was the driving force behind the recent CPP enhancement and was willing to go it alone with ORPP if the other jursidictions didn't get on board.

3) Updating the health curriculum (aka "sex ed") despite PC party lies and fear-mongering.

4) The expanded Ontario Student Grant

5) Large investments in transit, infrastructure health care and education

6) Cap-and-Trade system

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Off the top of my head:

1) No right-wing austerity: You in particular claimed that it would be unavoidable for her not to lay off 100,000 public sector workers like Hudak wanted to do. What happened to that prediction?

No austerity? Take a look at health care, for starters.

They cannot reach their budget goals without cutting.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

2) ORPP/CPP enhancement: Ontario was the driving force behind the recent CPP enhancement and was willing to go it alone with ORPP if the other jursidictions didn't get on board.

If you feel that CPP needed to be enhanced, of course it was a good thing.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

3) Updating the health curriculum (aka "sex ed") despite PC party lies and fear-mongering.

Curriculum is updated all the time. Nothing to high-five over.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

4) The expanded Ontario Student Grant

That's good.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

5) Large investments in transit, infrastructure health care and education.

I think what you see and hear, is different than reality. The Liberals have cut a ton of services from OHIP during their tenure and are currently battling with doctors and have laid off nurses this year.

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

6) Cap-and-Trade system

Since it's never worked anywhere else in the World, I doubt it will work here. Terrible idea.

[Jabberwalker]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thanos Thanos:

The Ontario manufacturing sector can also add on billions of dollars that didn't get generated from equipment not sold in Alberta and Saskatchewan over the last two years thanks to the oil price collapse. Not that Wynne would care, with her death-to-fossil-fuels mania, but the activity out here created activity down there. That's where the petty regionalism that fuels the politics in this country gets so frustrating. They panic about the interlinked network that's threatened by the Brexit but at the same time they can't even bring themselves to acknowledge the interlinked network inside of Canada that benefited the entire country with jobs and increased tax revenue. Ah well, enjoy being pure as you heat your homes and fuel your cars with scented organic candles, or whatever the fuck it is you think is going to replace gas and oil.

This will shock you, but even during your now-defunct oil boom, we sold more goods and services to the great big world that exists outside Alberta's borders than we ever sold to Alberta. The inflated petro-dollar from the Alberta oil boom made those goods and services more expensive so during the oil boom we lost far more than we gained. It's not a coincidence that this economy came bounding back as soon as the oil prices fell through.

The key is a low dollar. As long as we have that, we are a net winner in NAFTA.

[housewife]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Off the top of my head:

1) No right-wing austerity: You in particular claimed that it would be unavoidable for her not to lay off 100,000 public sector workers like Hudak wanted to do. What happened to that prediction?

2) ORPP/CPP enhancement: Ontario was the driving force behind the recent CPP enhancement and was willing to go it alone with ORPP if the other jursidictions didn't get on board.

3) Updating the health curriculum (aka "sex ed") despite PC party lies and fear-mongering.

4) The expanded Ontario Student Grant

5) Large investments in transit, infrastructure health care and education

6) Cap-and-Trade system

1 government is too big. Have you ever tried to get information from (Un)Service Ontario they had out miss information and you have no recourse as they don't have id numbers or any way to be identified in a complaint. Takes 4 people and countless hours to finally find someone that will transfer you to ohip the more people and hours to find one who actually knows the job and can say that test should have been covered.

2 I wouldn't trust the ontario government with my retirement pension

3 oh goody...

4 that one might be good depends what the small print is

5 transit yeah, and maybe education but health care have you been in a dr's office of late. Mine will only talk about one thing per appointment and will not advise me on anything they think is related to thyroid. If you are lucky enough to be well then I guess you would be happy with the health care.

6 really

I think her and her party are an embarrassed. my only small hope is that people will remember the scandals and lies. The misrepresentation the buying of unions and votes. Like I said it is a small hope but maybe people will grab a brain and vote them out. Oh and while I am on hopes and wishes that some of them will be doing time for fraud

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Tthe economic health of the other regions were sabotaged from the beginning of Confederation in order to benefit Ontario and Quebec. From destroying the natural trade routes the Maritimes used to have up and down the eastern seaboard with the Americans to make sure that the west would remain as commodity-producers only while the Great Lakes got all the industry this country has been rigged from the beginning to benefit central Canada only. At least you creatures down there could be honest about it and admit, just like grandad and great-grandad would, that you don't give a fuck about anything or anyone that isn't in southern Ontario.

Ok now you're just being ridiculous. Where do you get this shit?

The industrial and population centre of Canada is the area closest to the industrial and population centre of the US. The rural and resource areas of western canada are next to the rural and resource areas of the US. The advent of railroads and later the internal combustion engine and highways is what made coastal trade routes obsolete THE WORLD OVER. Stop being a dumbass.

[fifeboy]

Thanos Thanos:

Turnabout is fair play. And it's more than overdue in a country where the economic health of the other regions were sabotaged from the beginning of Confederation in order to benefit Ontario and Quebec. From destroying the natural trade routes the Maritimes used to have up and down the eastern seaboard with the Americans to make sure that the west would remain as commodity-producers only while the Great Lakes got all the industry this country has been rigged from the beginning to benefit central Canada only. At least you creatures down there could be honest about it and admit, just like grandad and great-grandad would, that you don't give a fuck about anything or anyone that isn't in southern Ontario.

Oh thank God, I thought you were going to bring out the old cartoon of the cow feeding in the west and being milked in "the east." It reminds me of when I moved to Winnipeg in 1972. Farmers driving their brand new Cadillacs into the city to complain how they were being screwed by the "evil east." The joke going around was: What's the difference between a western farmer and a 747-- the 747 quits whinning when it lands in Honolulu.
This "western alienation " thing has been cultivated by generations of western politicians.