[andyt]

Oh, for fucks saake. Here's what I said:

andyt andyt:

I guess we're lagging behind the US, because their employment numbers for May were dismal.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Well, we did have an entire city of 90,000 who were on 'vacation', so I guess we can excuse the drop in productivity.

We, as in Canada, not just Alberta, are lagging behind the US in having a drop in employment - I'm sure it will come eventually.

How does your reply make sense in that context? Canada as a whole is doing well right now, unemployment wise, even if Alberta isn't. Alberta /= Canada.

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Also in the last election, the Conservatives campaigned on firing 100,000 government employees as the only way to prevent imminent economic collapse. Then when they were criticised for it, they said Wynne was secretly planning to do the same thing just not being honest about it. I guess that's not the case? I'm so confused!

Of course you're confused, you don't know what you're talking about.

The cutting of the public sector job had nothing to do with preventing an economic collapse, it had to do with getting the bloated public service under control and the books in the black.

Your Liberal friends promised to balance the budget which meant they would have to make some deep cuts to get the budget in line and the only one who figured out the math was union leader, Smokey Thomas. Naturally, the Liberals didn't come through with their plans to start to get the deficit under control.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Oh, for fucks saake. Here's what I said:

andyt andyt:

I guess we're lagging behind the US, because their employment numbers for May were dismal.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Well, we did have an entire city of 90,000 who were on 'vacation', so I guess we can excuse the drop in productivity.

We, as in Canada, not just Alberta, are lagging behind the US in having a drop in employment - I'm sure it will come eventually.

How does your reply make sense in that context? Canada as a whole is doing well right now, unemployment wise, even if Alberta isn't. Alberta /= Canada.

Alberta is still part of Canada, even though it's against your wishes. When you speak about 'Canada' that includes 'Alberta'.

Like the part of the article that I quoted says, the wildfires would have dragged our numbers down, if Eastern Canada had not done unexpectedly well. I thought that would have been obvious, but I guess we have to have a couple more pages of discussion to flesh out this seemingly easy concept: My reply makes sense in that it a continuation of your own point.

Underconstumble? Or should I break out the crayons and draw a picture?

[BeaverFever]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Of course you're confused, you don't know what you're talking about.

The cutting of the public sector job had nothing to do with preventing an economic collapse, it had to do with getting the bloated public service under control and the books in the black.

Your Liberal friends promised to balance the budget which meant they would have to make some deep cuts to get the budget in line and the only one who figured out the math was union leader, Smokey Thomas. Naturally, the Liberals didn't come through with their plans to start to get the deficit under control.

They're still forecasting a balaned budget:

$1:

Kathleen Wynne's Liberal government is positioned to reach its target of balancing the budget in 2017-18, after nine straight deficits, according to a new report from Ontario's independent fiscal watchdog.

Stephen LeClair, Ontario's Financial Accountability Officer, projects a $580 million deficit for next year in his 2016 economic and fiscal outlook but argues that the government can easily work this down to zero.

"Given the flexibility built into the government's fiscal projections, the Province is in a position to achieve its commitment of balancing the budget in 2017-18," says the report.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/o ... -1.3587330

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

They're still forecasting a balaned budget:

Forecasting and reality don't usually match up when it comes to the Ontario Liberals.

I'll wait for the actual numbers to come out....to which they'll likely say are wrong like they've done to the Auditor General numerous times this year.

[BeaverFever]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

They're still forecasting a balaned budget:

Forecasting and reality don't usually match up when it comes to the Ontario Liberals.

I say again:

$1:

...according to a new report from Ontario's independent fiscal watchdog.

[OnTheIce]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

They're still forecasting a balaned budget:

Forecasting and reality don't usually match up when it comes to the Ontario Liberals.

I say again:

$1:

...according to a new report from Ontario's independent fiscal watchdog.

And I'll say it again,

$1:

Kathleen Wynne's Liberal government is positioned to reach its target of balancing the budget in 2017-18, after nine straight deficits, according to a new report from Ontario's independent fiscal watchdog.

He also says:

$1:

Ontario's fiscal watchdog Stephen LeClair says the province risks dipping back into the red after 2019, unless more is done to restrain spending or government revenues rise faster than projected.

$1:

"The FAO projects a gradual deterioration in the budget balance, with deficit of $1.7 billion by 2020-21," says the report.

Forecasting and being "positioned" to balance a budget isn't the same as actually doing it.

The proof is in the balanced books. If they ever come to fruition.

[BeaverFever]

Ok, see you in a couple years

[shockedcanadian]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Wait, how is this good economic news possible? I thought that the Liberal government in Ottawa was going to kill jobs and drive the national economy into the ground. I'm so confused.

And Liberal Ontario is also leading the country in job growth? How is this possible when the right has claimed that Wyne has turned Ontario into a third-world country and all of her progressive reforms would scare away employers? And now GM is bringing another 1,000 new jobs to Ontario to research and develop driverless cars? I'm so confused.

Also in the last election, the Conservatives campaigned on firing 100,000 government employees as the only way to prevent imminent economic collapse. Then when they were criticised for it, they said Wynne was secretly planning to do the same thing just not being honest about it. I guess that's not the case? I'm so confused!
Maybe these were secret unreported layoffs to go with all of the secret unreported crime that the Conservatives are so alert to.

What does "job creation" (not the governments business but they pretend to engage in it in Ontario) have to do with massive debt, and multiple financial scandals?

If you gave me $150 BILLION dollars over a 10 year period, you can be sure I can employ a lot of people.

Of course, you will one day want that $150 BILLION back right? ($300B+ in total).

Yes, this provincial government is the gold standard of theft, cronyism, misuse of taxpayers money, unaccountability, and economic communism.

No wonder our allies don't trust us

[BeaverFever]

$1:

If you gave me $150 BILLION dollars over a 10 year period, you can be sure I can employ a lot of people.

Of course, you will one day want that $150 BILLION back right? ($300B+ in total).

What are you talking about?

"Economic Communism": Wow!

$1:

No wonder our allies don't trust us

You need a new punchline

[Lemmy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

You need a new punchline

You should have stopped typing with the "h".

[shockedcanadian]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

If you gave me $150 BILLION dollars over a 10 year period, you can be sure I can employ a lot of people.

Of course, you will one day want that $150 BILLION back right? ($300B+ in total).

What are you talking about?

"Economic Communism": Wow!

$1:

No wonder our allies don't trust us

You need a new punchline

Ontario's debt was 152B in 2005, it's now over $308B. That's government "job creation". Accountability of this funding has never been an issue.

The punchline comes when your grandkids and great grandkids wonder why the former generations were so greedy at the expense of their generation...

[BeaverFever]

Until they realize the "debt" is actually just savings bonds that they and their parents and their grandparent parents bought and continue to buy and get regular returns on.

Your problem is you think government debt is like the payday loans and high-interest credit cards that you probably live off of. But it's not the same. Not at all.

And also, I think they'll appreciate not having an unmanageable backlog crumbling infrastructure and totally destroyed environment. That's real legacy that future generations should worry about.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Until they realize the "debt" is actually just savings bonds that they and their parents and their grandparent parents bought and continue to buy and get regular returns on.

Unless it's a Conservative government debt, and then it's beyond evil.

[shockedcanadian]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Until they realize the "debt" is actually just savings bonds that they and their parents and their grandparent parents bought and continue to buy and get regular returns on.

Your problem is you think government debt is like the payday loans and high-interest credit cards that you probably live off of. But it's not the same. Not at all.

And also, I think they'll appreciate not having an unmanageable backlog crumbling infrastructure and totally destroyed environment. That's real legacy that future generations should worry about.

So you believe the debt is ok because the public lends at a low rate? The billion dollar theft which her enablers at the OPP have allowed is hardly investment in infrastructure, try selling that to someone who will buy it.