[Thanos]

There's some fairly cunning people on this board. Maybe if we put our heads together football-huddle style we could come up with a way where we could all take advantage of this perfectly legal racial scam. Think, boys, think! It's the only way you'll ever get any of your tax money back.

[Public_Domain]

[raydan]

andyt andyt:

raydan raydan:

Why not extend rights to everybody?

Because then nobody would be spatial.

Exactly...

[Thanos]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

I assume I'm excluded from this groupthink

I've had a longstanding belief that we get ripped off more over the course of our lives by the government that we ever get back from them. So if someone has the opportunity to scam them back, perfectly legal like from one of those joke study grants or some kind of far-fetched business subsidy (e.g. the entire solar energy program), then fucking go for broke. Why should the parasites at the very top be the only ones to take advantage of the system? One of the great regrets in my life was not being as clever as one of the dinguses I used to hang out with back in my 20's, because the sleazy fucker had figured out how to claim every big of welfare and pogey he could with a faked disability and then supplemented his income with a grow-op. Do it the honest way these days and all you're proving is that you're an idiot.

[Delwin]

Im 1/16 Mohawk. This decision could have a serious impact on my future posts, Anishinaabeg.

[Public_Domain]

[PJB]

I think the whole reason for this decision was a clarification of jurisdiction. This will have little affect on programs and policies right now but it does allow Metis and non-status and off reserve aboriginals access to an equal opportunity to negotiate with one government, the feds, rather than provincial governments. I hope and pray that these people do not see this clarification as an open invitation to demand lands and reparations and basically a whack load of money for nothing. Sure there will be radicals that will start making land claims but I think a majority of these people just wanted recognition.

[andyt]

PJB PJB:

I think the whole reason for this decision was a clarification of jurisdiction. This will have little affect on programs and policies right now but it does allow Metis and non-status and off reserve aboriginals access to an equal opportunity to negotiate with one government, the feds, rather than provincial governments. I hope and pray that these people do not see this clarification as an open invitation to demand lands and reparations and basically a whack load of money for nothing. Sure there will be radicals that will start making land claims but I think a majority of these people just wanted recognition.

Of course they will demand those things. As was said, they are not entitled to the same benefits as status Indians, and this opens the door for land claims. Now, Trudeau could just divide the same amount of money spend on FN's now among FN's and these new claimants, but that doesn't sound like the Trudeau I know. And while a land claim isn't a fait accompli, it for sure means more court cases with these new "aboriginals" demanding control over their lands and blocking development.

Creating these separate "nations" and people with special rights just won't work in the long run, just divide Canada. But nobody's got the guts to stand up and say equal rights for all. And admittedly, us whitey's didn't have a problem with that inequality as long as it favored us.

[martin14]

PJB PJB:

. I hope and pray that these people do not see this clarification as an open invitation to demand lands and reparations and basically a whack load of money for nothing.

What do you think they were doing in court ?

It will be the FIRST thing they start going for.

The Metis will claim the same benefits and land for them from the Feds,
and non status Indians will now auction off their 'status' to reside on a res.
Pump up the number of souls, mo' money for everyone.

[ShepherdsDog]

Well one thing is the Metis pay taxes as do natives living and working off reserve, so they're going to share the cost of the new benefits. The Metis do have a legitimate beef when it comes to land though. Most of them had their farm land seized from them illegally in the mid to late 1800s. This was land that they had legal registered title to, not some tenuous ancestral claim, along the Red and Assiniboine, from Winnipeg into Saskatchewan.

[DrCaleb]

^^ As well, many Indians had their 'status' revoked if, for example, they were too affluent, or married someone who wasn't 'status'. In the 1800's, it was all about reducing the number of people on the government dole.

[Lemmy]

Yeah, people will be lining up to get status. There'll be a rush to the reservations. Because everyone wants to live in abject poverty just to avoid paying some tax.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Yeah, people will be lining up to get status.

Yes, yes there will. Knew a guy, your basic apple, who wanted to establish his status so as not to pay MSP premiums and get a refund on them. There will be a rush to that sort of thing, it's not all about not paying taxes while on reserve.

Lemmy Lemmy:

There'll be a rush to the reservations. Because everyone wants to live in abject poverty just to avoid paying some tax.

Actually some reserves do very well, say the Squamish or Osoyoos bands. Live on reserve, demand a house, but work for the settlers off reserve. Best of both worlds. But no, nobody's going to rush to Attawapiskat.

[DrCaleb]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Yeah, people will be lining up to get status. There'll be a rush to the reservations. Because everyone wants to live in abject poverty just to avoid paying some tax.

I recall a group recently in Vancouver who were complaining that Natives off reserve don't get the same support and funding, and were demanding equal funding as their on-reserve counterparts.

Shades of future past!

[Newsbot]

Title: Supreme Court ruling: Who now qualifies as an �Indian�
Category: History
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2016-04-15 09:11:50
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