[Alta_redneck]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Hey, here's a thought - since we know that both snowmobiling and the Quebec back country in winter are dangerous; how about taking responsibility for your own actions? That, and take a first aid course.

Yeah, and then they'd know the part about not moving an person with traumatic injurers and keeping him as warm and comfortable as possible until rescuers were on scene.

One other thing, these are groomed trails, the only danger is of the human kind.

And once they knew the rescuers weren't coming, even though they were just a few minutes down the road, then they could just sit and watch him die. Comfortably.

Any first aid course will tell you that there comes a time when the patient must go to the help.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=first+ai ... 0&bih=1546

I guess after the shock that there was going to be no rescue, that is why the others in the party went to the ambulance garage and dug the pull behind sled (that belonged to the Ambulance) out of a snow bank to bring it back to the scene to evacuate their buddy themselves.

[DrCaleb]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Yeah, and then they'd know the part about not moving an person with traumatic injurers and keeping him as warm and comfortable as possible until rescuers were on scene.

One other thing, these are groomed trails, the only danger is of the human kind.

And once they knew the rescuers weren't coming, even though they were just a few minutes down the road, then they could just sit and watch him die. Comfortably.

Any first aid course will tell you that there comes a time when the patient must go to the help.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=first+ai ... 0&bih=1546

I guess that is why the others in the party went to the ambulance garage and dug the pull behind sled (that belonged to the Ambulance) out of a snow bank to bring it back to the scene to evacuate their buddy themselves.

Like what was said earlier:

Robair Robair:

Paramedics don't leave the road.

Beyond the road you have to use another agency like search and rescue or fire.

When making the 911 call, you should specify that the scene is not accessible by road and the proper help will be dispatched.

[Alta_redneck]

to many quotes to fuck with and so little time Doc.

Have you ever wondered why a Firetruck always goes on a ambulance call?

For you it seems that its alright for the Paramedics to just sit there kicking back drinking a coffee and not getting the proper rescue people out there. This article rates right up there with you defending that dentist from Camrose, look where that got you after the inquiry.

I'm done, i got to go meet friends for coffee, re read the story there's some real good clues there to answer your questions.

[Robair]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

For you it seems that its alright for the Paramedics to just sit there kicking back drinking a coffee and not getting the proper rescue people out there.

...not usually how the situation plays out.

It is up to ambulance, police or fire to activate the local search and rescue group (if there is one). You can't call out a SAR group directly.

If the dispatcher was given info on the victims location, search and rescue should have been activated right away. Maybe it was poor info received on the 911 call, or maybe it was bad decision making on the emergency services side. I going to say it most likely wasn't the fault of the emergency professionals vs some very excited snowmobilers. But I could be wrong.

As far as the EMT tech not getting on the back of a snowmobile, not in that person's job description PLUS there are likely some details emitted here as well.

The EMT was, I'm thinking, looking at a crew of over excited people with very powerful snowmobiles that were likely yelling at him/her to grab their shit and jump on the back. These people might even have been drinking, we don't know.

Search and Rescue or EMT priorities are your own safety first, the safety of your coworkers second, the safety of the public third and the safety of the subject last. The subject got himself hurt, nobody is under any obligation to risk themselves to help that person out.

When you are playing in the great outdoors, especially with ATV's and snow machines, shit can happen. You should know what to do when shit happens BEFORE heading out.

Getting all the required info on the 911 call could have been the difference between life and death here. As could have a first aid course.

Could also be that the subject wasn't going to make it regardless.

[andyt]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

I guess after the shock that there was going to be no rescue, that is why the others in the party went to the ambulance garage and dug the pull behind sled (that belonged to the Ambulance) out of a snow bank to bring it back to the scene to evacuate their buddy themselves.

Now you're just making shit up. Where is this ambulance garage? How did they get there, drive the snowmobiles on the roads? Here's the quote:

$1:

Pelletier said one of the other snowmobilers was finally able to dig out a sled that had been buried in a snowbank after the crash.

I still don't see how an ambulance is expected to drive down a snowmobile trail - maybe the look different in Quebec than BC. Taking the paramedics to the crash scene might have gotten the crash victim some first aid, but then what? They still have to get him to the ambulance at the trail head. They should have dug out this sled right away and pulled the guy to the tail head, maybe got there before the ambulance did.

[Alta_redneck]

Robair Robair:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

For you it seems that its alright for the Paramedics to just sit there kicking back drinking a coffee and not getting the proper rescue people out there.

...not usually how the situation plays out.

It is up to ambulance, police or fire to activate the local search and rescue group (if there is one). You can't call out a SAR group directly.

If the dispatcher was given info on the victims location, search and rescue should have been activated right away. Maybe it was poor info received on the 911 call, or maybe it was bad decision making on the emergency services side. I going to say it most likely wasn't the fault of the emergency professionals vs some very excited snowmobilers. But I could be wrong.

As far as the EMT tech not getting on the back of a snowmobile, not in that person's job description PLUS there are likely some details emitted here as well.

The EMT was, I'm thinking, looking at a crew of over excited people with very powerful snowmobiles that were likely yelling at him/her to grab their shit and jump on the back. These people might even have been drinking, we don't know.

Search and Rescue or EMT priorities are your own safety first, the safety of your coworkers second, the safety of the public third and the safety of the subject last. The subject got himself hurt, nobody is under any obligation to risk themselves to help that person out.

When you are playing in the great outdoors, especially with ATV's and snow machines, shit can happen. You should know what to do when shit happens BEFORE heading out.

Getting all the required info on the 911 call could have been the difference between life and death here. As could have a first aid course.

Could also be that the subject wasn't going to make it regardless.

All I'm going to say is, around here this is a fire call, not a SAR. This man would have be rescued, either with STARS on stand by or directly involved. I'm not sure what this area in the story is like, but most of those trails are groomed with speed limits and cops patrol them. A lot of them start at a bar and end up another bar, not really what I'd call deep wilderness.

[DrCaleb]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

For you it seems that its alright for the Paramedics to just sit there kicking back drinking a coffee and not getting the proper rescue people out there.

You should abstain from making assumptions about my motivations. You've proven yourself pretty bad at it.

Robair Robair:

When you are playing in the great outdoors, especially with ATV's and snow machines, shit can happen. You should know what to do when shit happens BEFORE heading out.

Getting all the required info on the 911 call could have been the difference between life and death here. As could have a first aid course.

[stratos]

I scaned the article so might have missed it. Couldn't the paramedics have called out the proper team to do the rescue sense they could not? Seems to me that this is where they, the paramedics failed the victim. That is if they did not make the call.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

I scaned the article so might have missed it. Couldn't the paramedics have called out the proper team to do the rescue sense they could not? Seems to me that this is where they, the paramedics failed the victim. That is if they did not make the call.

I asked my friend who is an EMT about that. He said his radio only goes back to dispatch, that he could call for STARS (air ambulance) but not for a SAR team with off road capability. 9-1-1 dispatch would be the one to call in a SAR team. He doesn't know how it's set up in Quebec, but it might be similar.

He also said that once the ambulance attends the scene, it can't leave without a patient or a resolution to the problem. So the EMTs might not be able to go back to the station and get the sled needed to haul the guy out of the bush.

[stratos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

I scaned the article so might have missed it. Couldn't the paramedics have called out the proper team to do the rescue sense they could not? Seems to me that this is where they, the paramedics failed the victim. That is if they did not make the call.

I asked my friend who is an EMT about that. He said his radio only goes back to dispatch, that he could call for STARS (air ambulance) but not for a SAR team with off road capability. 9-1-1 dispatch would be the one to call in a SAR team. He doesn't know how it's set up in Quebec, but it might be similar.

He also said that once the ambulance attends the scene, it can't leave without a patient or a resolution to the problem. So the EMTs might not be able to go back to the station and get the sled needed to haul the guy out of the bush.

That answers a lot of the questions I had. Thanks to you and the friend you asked.