[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

For grown adults, I'm just not impressed when they get drunk. Sure, get a bit of a glow on, have fun, but from what you wrote earlier, I suspect there's lots that go way beyond that. And how many drive home, because the "can handle it"?

You are projecting a little. It's the younger generation that get their happy on a bit too much, the veterans get the 'warm glow' you mention. And no one drives home. The Legion arranges for a cab to be outside all day long.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The problem you're not seeing here is that on days like Remembrance Day the act of reminiscing brings up some hard memories and a lot of guys deal with them by drinking them away.

Like I said, sometimes laughter, sometimes tears. But everyone goes home safe.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

For grown adults, I'm just not impressed when they get drunk. Sure, get a bit of a glow on, have fun, but from what you wrote earlier, I suspect there's lots that go way beyond that. And how many drive home, because the "can handle it"?

No doubt there's camaraderie. I would just be more impressed if it involved less booze. There is just so much harm that booze does in our society, and we are way too tolerant of it.

The problem you're not seeing here is that on days like Remembrance Day the act of reminiscing brings up some hard memories and a lot of guys deal with them by drinking them away.

I'm sure andy has no clue because he has never been to a Remembrance Day at a Legion.

No surprise.

[2Cdo]

martin14 martin14:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

For grown adults, I'm just not impressed when they get drunk. Sure, get a bit of a glow on, have fun, but from what you wrote earlier, I suspect there's lots that go way beyond that. And how many drive home, because the "can handle it"?

No doubt there's camaraderie. I would just be more impressed if it involved less booze. There is just so much harm that booze does in our society, and we are way too tolerant of it.

The problem you're not seeing here is that on days like Remembrance Day the act of reminiscing brings up some hard memories and a lot of guys deal with them by drinking them away.

I'm sure andy has no clue because he has never been to a Remembrance Day at a Legion.

No surprise.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[BartSimpson]

Maybe Andy needs an invite to a Legion meet up?

[Guy_Fawkes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Maybe Andy needs an invite to a Legion meet up?

[Guy_Fawkes]

For this kid to die he would need more than a 0.4% Blood Alcohol limit (just a reminder 0.08% BAC is what gets you a DUI charge). So if we assume the kid weighed 195lbs he would have to have consumed close to 1.14L/40oz of hard liquor in under 2 hours. This is after he would have vomited multiple times from his body was telling him that it is being poisoned. So even after drinking and throwing up, he forced his body to metabolize a lethal amount of alcohol. I see this as the same as a drunk getting into a car and after swerving all over the road, plows into a tree, killing himself. I have no sympathy for people who recklessly kill themselves.

[stratos]

andyt andyt:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Ban alcohol or legalize heroin.

Just regulate all of it. To different levels of course. I would regulate booze more tightly than it is now.

The tighter the regulation the more abuse you will see. Social disdain or social encouragement for something carries far more weight in this type of case. His buddies I'm sure encouraged him vs cautioning him or ridiculing him for this exposition of drinking.

[Lemmy]

stratos stratos:

The tighter the regulation the more abuse you will see.

No, that's not true. There's an optimum level of regulation. We learned all this from the 1920s prohibition experiment. When booze was illegal, people used it any time and in any quantity. When it became legalized and regulated its use fell because of things like store/bar hours, excise taxation, age requirements, etc. So some degree of regulation is preferred over the free-for-all that exists when something's either totally unregulated or totally prohibited. Same is true of gun control. There's an equilibrium level of regulation that lies somewhere between the USA's free-for-all and total prohibition. Stats clearly demonstrate that Canada's system is preferred over the USA's.

stratos stratos:

Social disdain or social encouragement for something carries far more weight in this type of case. His buddies I'm sure encouraged him vs cautioning him or ridiculing him for this exposition of drinking.

That's true to a degree. Being a teenager is all about testing adult behaviours. They perceive drinking to be an adult behaviour so they're gonna try it out. It's been said that if you want to get teenagers to brush their teeth, make toothpaste illegal. Kids need to learn some things for themselves. I know I taught mine not to touch the fireplace glass or the stovetop, but they all had to do it one time to get that burning your finger is no fun.

[andyt]

$1:

Alcohol poisoning is typically caused by binge drinking at high intensity (i.e., consuming a very large amount of alcohol during an episode of binge drinking). Approximately 38 million U.S. adults report binge drinking an average of four times per month and consuming an average of eight drinks per episode.


During 2010–2012, there was an annual average of 2,221 alcohol poisoning deaths, an age-adjusted rate of 8.8 deaths per 1 million population, among persons aged ≥15 years in the United States (Table 1).

Differences in alcohol poisoning death rates in states reflect known differences in state binge drinking patterns, which are strongly influenced by state and local laws governing the price and availability of alcohol (13), as well as other cultural and religious factors (14). A recent study that examined the relationship between various subgroups of state alcohol policies and binge drinking among adults found that a small number of policies that raised alcohol prices and reduced its availability had the greatest impact on binge drinking in states (15)

The findings in this analysis are subject to at least three limitations. First, alcohol-attributable deaths, including alcohol poisoning, are underreported (16–18). Second, this study was restricted to deaths in which alcohol poisoning was the underlying cause of death, and did not include deaths in which alcohol poisoning was a contributing cause of death. A previous study found that there were three times as many deaths in which alcohol poisoning was a contributing, rather than underlying cause of death (19).

There are several recommended evidence-based, population-level strategies to reduce excessive drinking and related harms, such as regulating alcohol outlet density (i.e., the concentration of retail alcohol establishments, including bars and restaurants and liquor or package stores, in a given geographic area) and preventing illegal alcohol sales in retail settings (e.g., commercial host [dram shop] liability) (21,22).

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6353a2.htm


10% of Americans binge drink every weekend.

Doubt if the stats for Canada are much different.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

10% of Americans binge drink every weekend.

Doubt if the stats for Canada are much different.

Must be due to poverty.

[Canadian_Mind]

Andy, why do you think drinking away your sorrow or anger is a bad thing?

You are welcome to attend a remembrance day with me from start to finish any time it would be convenient for you.

[andyt]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Andy, why do you think drinking away your sorrow or anger is a bad thing?

You are welcome to attend a remembrance day with me from start to finish any time it would be convenient for you.

Because I think you're kidding yourself if you think you're drinking them away. (And the anger comes out way too often with the drinkers.) Binge drinking doesn't solve anything, especially on a regular basis. Sure, take a couple of drinks to relax, but if you're drinking to manage your emotions, you're basically an addict, certainly on the road to it.

Thanks for the invite, I assume it's sincere. But I don't enjoy the company of drinkers, ie people who sit down just to drink. Different than having a beer or glass of wine with your food, ie you are sitting down to eat.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

Thanks for the invite, I assume it's sincere. But I don't enjoy the company of drinkers, ie people who sit down just to drink. Different than having a beer or glass of wine with your food, ie you are sitting down to eat.

Why don't you just admit that you don't enjoy the company of men and women who have served their country.

[andyt]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

andyt andyt:

Thanks for the invite, I assume it's sincere. But I don't enjoy the company of drinkers, ie people who sit down just to drink. Different than having a beer or glass of wine with your food, ie you are sitting down to eat.

Why don't you just admit that you don't enjoy the company of men and women who have served their country.

Want to go on a bike ride with me?

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

andyt andyt:

Thanks for the invite, I assume it's sincere. But I don't enjoy the company of drinkers, ie people who sit down just to drink. Different than having a beer or glass of wine with your food, ie you are sitting down to eat.

Why don't you just admit that you don't enjoy the company of men and women who have served their country.

Want to go on a bike ride with me?

Too cold for bike riding right now.