[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I would appear that the rest of the world has suddenly realised what a majority of Canadians already know. Mr. Trudeau is all flash and no substance.

You seem like a pretty sensible character usually, but your creepy hard-on for Trudeau of late has me wondering if you're okay or not. I mean, I've been as big a critic as anyone of Trudeau as a candidate, but he's been on the job a week. He hasn't done anything yet, good or bad. We get that you want Trudeau to fuck up (I'm not sure why you'd want our prime minister to be a bad one, but clearly that's your hope). But you can't will it to happen by posting nonsense like that. It won't bring rain like a Native dance. No offence, but it just makes you sound like a partisan nut-job and I always thought you were more sensible than that.

You mean I'm starting to sound like andyt and Count Lothian?


Sorry but I just can't like the vapid man especially after having suffered through his fathers reign of terror. So, I certainly won't sit around and cut him slack when he hasn't done squat to earn it. Maybe it's the sins of thy father and all that but, it's how I feel.

If that sounds partisan so be it. Although, I also went after the Conservatives about their treatment of Veterans, the elderly, things like their lack of Senate Reform, the morons they put in that august chamber and the promises they broke. So, until Mr. Trudeau actually does something other that take selfies, endanger our country with his foreign policy and pose for photo ops I'll continue to point out his short comings but, if by some odd chance he actually does something that in my opinion is worthy of praise then I'll be the first on here to give it.

You have to earn respect and IMO so far that hasn't happened. But, for whatever reason he and the people who voted for him seem to think he should get it automatically which is bullshit because they didn't seem to feel that courtesy was necessary for the previous PM.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You mean I'm starting to sound like andyt and Count Lothian?


Sorry but I just can't like the vapid man especially after having suffered through his fathers reign of terror. So, I certainly won't sit around and cut him slack when he hasn't done squat to earn it. Maybe it's the sins of thy father and all that but, it's how I feel.

"Reign of terror"? Exaggerate much? So you're judging JT by the actions of his dad 40 years ago? He hasn't had a chance to earn anyone's respect yet. His government has sat 7 days. 7 days, man.

FOG FOG:

If that sounds partisan so be it. Although, I also went after the Conservatives about their treatment of Veterans, the elderly, things like their lack of Senate Reform, the morons they put in that august chamber and the promises they broke. So, until Mr. Trudeau actually does something other that take selfies, endanger our country with his foreign policy and pose for photo ops I'll continue to point out his short comings but, if by some odd chance he actually does something that in my opinion is worthy of praise then I'll be the first on here to give it.

That's going after someone for something they've done. You're going after Trudeau for what you expect, nay, hope he might do but hasn't yet. Seeing the difference? "Endanger our country with his foreign policy"? Say what? He doesn't have a foreign policy yet. He hasn't endangered anyone. You're making this up in your head.

FOG FOG:

You have to earn respect and IMO so far that hasn't happened. But, for whatever reason he and the people who voted for him seem to think he should get it automatically which is bullshit because they didn't seem to feel that courtesy was necessary for the previous PM.

There's common courtesy and respect for his office. As a former military man, you ought have some grasp of that concept. Shame you don't. Only cranks on the other side ripped Harper for things he didn't do. The sane people in the middle, the majority, gave Harper a chance, maybe disagreed with him, but at least criticized him on the basis of policy rather than partisanship. And they also never lost respect for the office that he held.

Whatever, dude, rip on Trudeau all you like. But know that when you're doing it for no reason but preconceived notion, it makes you, not Trudeau, look like the stooge.

[martin14]

Whew, it's good thing Justine's plane got away to Davos just in time, I'll bet he'll
throw away even more money.

Meanwhile, down the road....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns ... -1.3409831

PotashCorp suspends Picadilly mine in N.B., cuts 430 jobs

'Devastating' impact on Sussex

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Progressive Conservative MLA Bruce Northrup, who represents the communities surrounding the potash mine, said the news is "devastating" for the region.

"The local economy depends upon it, whether it is car dealerships, or Tim Hortons or shopping at the mall. It is definitely going to affect the area for sure," Northrup said on Tuesday.

Hmmm, I guess PM Selfie is just too busy.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You mean I'm starting to sound like andyt and Count Lothian?


Sorry but I just can't like the vapid man especially after having suffered through his fathers reign of terror. So, I certainly won't sit around and cut him slack when he hasn't done squat to earn it. Maybe it's the sins of thy father and all that but, it's how I feel.

"Reign of terror"? Exaggerate much? So you're judging JT by the actions of his dad 40 years ago? He hasn't had a chance to earn anyone's respect yet. His government has sat 7 days. 7 days, man.

FOG FOG:

If that sounds partisan so be it. Although, I also went after the Conservatives about their treatment of Veterans, the elderly, things like their lack of Senate Reform, the morons they put in that august chamber and the promises they broke. So, until Mr. Trudeau actually does something other that take selfies, endanger our country with his foreign policy and pose for photo ops I'll continue to point out his short comings but, if by some odd chance he actually does something that in my opinion is worthy of praise then I'll be the first on here to give it.

That's going after someone for something they've done. You're going after Trudeau for what you expect, nay, hope he might do but hasn't yet. Seeing the difference? "Endanger our country with his foreign policy"? Say what? He doesn't have a foreign policy yet. He hasn't endangered anyone. You're making this up in your head.

FOG FOG:

You have to earn respect and IMO so far that hasn't happened. But, for whatever reason he and the people who voted for him seem to think he should get it automatically which is bullshit because they didn't seem to feel that courtesy was necessary for the previous PM.

There's common courtesy and respect for his office. As a former military man, you ought have some grasp of that concept. Shame you don't. Only cranks on the other side ripped Harper for things he didn't do. The sane people in the middle, the majority, gave Harper a chance, maybe disagreed with him, but at least criticized him on the basis of policy rather than partisanship. And they also never lost respect for the office that he held.

Whatever, dude, rip on Trudeau all you like. But know that when you're doing it for no reason but preconceived notion, it makes you, not Trudeau, look like the stooge.

Thanks, now that I have you're approval I will. Although, I do find it ironic that you're defending the two biggest anti Harper trolls on here while attacking anyone who goes after Trudeau for things he does and doesn't do.

First off he does have a foreign policy and just because he hasn't sat with Parliament to finalize it means nothing. His foreign policy includes leaving our allies high and dry by pulling our air support in the middle east and refusing to supply anything more than a token force to help in the fight against ISIS while bringing thousands upon thousands of refugees that those same people are preying on is a foreign policy. Claiming he's going to turn our military back into a "peacekeeping force" despite the fact that shipped sailed in the Balkans back in the mid 90's.

BTW those are things he has "done" just like getting renovations on 24 Sussex and there are numerous other things he has done that you people on the left seem to forget.

[ShepherdsDog]

Actually Neil MacDonald has done a good blurb on him, in regards to the upcoming Davos summit.

[Lemmy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Thanks, now that I have you're approval I will. Although, I do find it ironic that you're defending the two biggest anti Harper trolls on here while attacking anyone who goes after Trudeau for things he does and doesn't do.

I'm defending no one. I'm suggesting that you sound like a crank for ripping on Trudeau when he hasn't done anything remotely rip-worthy yet. You seriously think he's been exposed as a hopeless incompetent because he's let some supporters take selfies with him? Seriously? That's a criticism, that he lets people take their pictures with him? Seriously? That means he's a failure, the worst prime minister in history?

FOG FOG:

First off he does have a foreign policy and just because he hasn't sat with Parliament to finalize it means nothing. His foreign policy includes leaving our allies high and dry by pulling our air support in the middle east and refusing to supply anything more than a token force to help in the fight against ISIS while bringing thousands upon thousands of refugees that those same people are preying on is a foreign policy. Claiming he's going to turn our military back into a "peacekeeping force" despite the fact that shipped sailed in the Balkans back in the mid 90's.

BTW those are things he has "done" just like getting renovations on 24 Sussex and there are numerous other things he has done that you people on the left seem to forget.

Yeah, but I'm not on the left. Calling you out for your crazy exaggerations and fantasies doesn't mean I'm on the "left". It's not about left-right. It's about you making shit up in your eagerness to declare him a failure absent any logical reason to do so yet.

"High and Dry"? Our 6 old F-18 clunkers will leave the USAF high and dry? Full stop, you're nuts.

[Freakinoldguy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I'm defending no one. I'm suggesting that you sound like a crank for ripping on Trudeau when he hasn't done anything remotely rip-worthy yet. You seriously think he's been exposed as a hopeless incompetent because he's let some supporters take selfies with him? Seriously? That's a criticism, that he lets people take their pictures with him? Seriously? That means he's a failure, the worst prime minister in history?

He isn't the worst PM in history by a long shot, yet. That's you thinking for me. But, with that being said he's by far the worst at vacillating or deflecting his campaign promises that we've ever had. You may not have liked Harper for what he did but at least he "did" them. With Trudeau it's not so much what he did it's what he promised to do to get elected and then started backtracking on. Like all Liberal leaders back to his father this appears to be a common theme.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/09/15/Li ... -Promises/

Now granted, he opened a Coast Guard base and brought in a shitload of Syrians, things which happened extraordinarily quickly but, other than getting himself a couple of nannies which he promised he wouldn't do and renoing his ancestral home what has he done for the economy, the military, seniors, the poor, families and the middle class? So, with that in mind, here's a checklist from his first throne speech that's long on talk but short on details. So, sometime in the future we can look back laugh and see just how many of these already reworded campaign promises he and his Liberal handlers kept.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/throne-s ... -1.2683942

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Yeah, but I'm not on the left. Calling you out for your crazy exaggerations and fantasies doesn't mean I'm on the "left". It's not about left-right. It's about you making shit up in your eagerness to declare him a failure absent any logical reason to do so yet.

"High and Dry"? Our 6 old F-18 clunkers will leave the USAF high and dry? Full stop, you're nuts.

He isn't a failure, his policies are but thanks for the free mental health assessment.

But here's a thought, if I'm nuts then what does that say about your ability to ignore the obvious when gob smacks you in the face? Perhaps if you weren't taken in by the charisma and didn't ignore the reality of the world today, you'd notice that Trudeau and his 1980's take on things, like the now antiquated role of peacekeeping and our place as a responsible member of the worlds community are policies of a bygone era that went out with the last Liberal PM.

BTW Leaving our allies hight and dry did not reflect our military capability it reflected our moral and ethical commitments to them.

But hey, the good news is now that we're going to become peace keepers "again" maybe we can just ignore any problems in the middle east or other parts of the world and concentrate on places like Africa. Oh wait we did that and how'd it turn out?

The days of Canadians peacekeeping with ROE's that got our troops killed or injured ended during those 7 days in the Medak pocket. Yet, here's our current PM proclaiming to the world that Canada is back and by that he means in an old obsolete role. A role that gave successive Gov'ts on both sides of the aisle a reason not to modernize or increase the manpower necessary to keep our military relevant.

So, if you think I'm ripping on young Mr. Trudeau for no reason then this whole conversation has been an effort in futility. The left gave Harper no respite from attack or accolades for his accomplishments and the hate was palatable so, in this battle of ideologies they'd be fucking daft to expect any quarter and if that fact is bothersome perhaps you'd be better served to put me on ignore because now that I have your blessing I'm going to go after every shortfall, lie, misrepresentation, excess and policy that I don't agree with and the man championing them.

But, to be fair if Mr. Trudeau does something that he promised and I agree with, I will give him the accolades he deserves[B-o]

[raydan]

I remember the resident Cons crushing anybody for bad-talking Harper...

[BartSimpson]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Meeting in Canada, anywhere, to talk about Canadian issues is fine with me.

Well said.

[ShepherdsDog]

raydan raydan:

I remember the resident Cons crushing anybody for bad-talking Harper...

Really?? I think you'll see there were plenty of big C and little c conservatives slamming him and the party for broken promises and acting like the party they were elected to replace.

[Jabberwalker]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Ummm.....what's wrong with doing this in Ottawa, using existing offices and meeting rooms?

Yeah ... soakin' up the sun in New Brunswick ...

[smorgdonkey]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I would appear that the rest of the world has suddenly realised what a majority of Canadians already know. Mr. Trudeau is all flash and no substance.

You seem like a pretty sensible character usually,

I've never noticed that.

Lemmy Lemmy:

You seriously think he's been exposed as a hopeless incompetent because he's let some supporters take selfies with him? Seriously? That's a criticism, that he lets people take their pictures with him? Seriously? That means he's a failure, the worst prime minister in history?

Some people will just see things through the glasses that they wear and vote the party name regardless of the policy or action(s).

[Freakinoldguy]

smorgdonkey smorgdonkey:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I would appear that the rest of the world has suddenly realised what a majority of Canadians already know. Mr. Trudeau is all flash and no substance.

You seem like a pretty sensible character usually,

I've never noticed that.

And that's because your powers of observation end at the tip of your nose.