[andyt]

The military is not part of government? Seems to me it's an arm of it same as border patrol.

[DanSC]

Removing the Border Patrol would make the government one agency smaller. Each agency will have its own offices, administration staff, etc.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

the Mohawks whose smuggling operations you folks are too damned PC to interfere with.

Us folks? What about you folks? The Mohawks operate on both sides of the border, which is why their smuggling schemes work. Your end is as much a part of the problem as ours. And what does "PC" have to do with any of it?

[andyt]

Since their tasks are so different, you'd likely have to add a lot of admin staff to the military. I assume the border patrol also mans the entry points and all sorts of import/export stuff, like our border agency. But possibly replacing the elements of the border patrol that actually patrol the border, and using military personnel that are already enlisted (ie rather than just sitting in bases training etc) would be a saving. Although again, I'm guessing patrolling the border involves more than showing up with a rifle, involves gathering intelligence etc, so they would still have to use specialists within the forces.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

As I said, it would be great if the troops actually dealt with contraband going north.

Their mere presence would serve to deter criminal activity.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

the Mohawks whose smuggling operations you folks are too damned PC to interfere with.

Us folks? What about you folks? The Mohawks operate on both sides of the border, which is why their smuggling schemes work. Your end is as much a part of the problem as ours. And what does "PC" have to do with any of it?

If the Mohawks on our side of the border blockaded a road and marched around with rifles the New York State Police would absolutely kill them and they know it. Thus they don't do it down here.

You folks let them get away with it every time and it just encourages them to piss on your other laws because what's the downside of pissing on your laws? On our side the crackdown since 9/11 has been just as heavy on the Mohawks as it's been on everyone else and the Mohawk are bitching about it.

In some respect they have a right to bitch because the Treaty of Ghent gave the Mohawk an unconditional right to transit between the US and Canada and that treaty says nothing about the Mohawk being prohibited from moving illicit goods through their lands.

Putting the US military on the border would abrogate that part of the treaty but it would also neatly end the problems with smuggling. Perhaps the US and Canada could come up with a new treaty to amend the old one and end this nonsense with the Mohawk.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If the Mohawks on our side of the border blockaded a road and marched around with rifles the New York State Police would absolutely kill them and they know it. Thus they don't do it down here.

But they do it here? Where? When?

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You folks let them get away with it every time and it just encourages them to piss on your other laws because what's the downside of pissing on your laws? On our side the crackdown since 9/11 has been just as heavy on the Mohawks as it's been on everyone else and the Mohawk are bitching about it.

Let them away with what? Three natives blocked a train track a couple of years ago and were promptly tossed in jail. There was that Oka uprising thing in, like, '89. Is that what you're thinking of?

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In some respect they have a right to bitch because the Treaty of Ghent gave the Mohawk an unconditional right to transit between the US and Canada and that treaty says nothing about the Mohawk being prohibited from moving illicit goods through their lands.

Interesting.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Putting the US military on the border would abrogate that part of the treaty but it would also neatly end the problems with smuggling. Perhaps the US and Canada could come up with a new treaty to amend the old one and end this nonsense with the Mohawk.

On a border the size of Canada-US (or US-Mexico), there's no practical amount of policing that can slow smuggling. Prohibition taught us that...and a lot of other things.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

On a border the size of Canada-US (or US-Mexico), there's no practical amount of policing that can slow smuggling. Prohibition taught us that...and a lot of other things.

Then when you would like your AR-15 delivered? It's not too late to get one for Christmas!

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Then when you would like your AR-15 delivered? It's not too late to get one for Christmas!

I wouldn't need a smuggled one. If I wanted an AR-15 I'd just go down to Canadian Tire and pick it up. There were a couple in stock, I noticed, last time I was in. But if I acquired an AR-15 I'd need to get rid of one of my hunting weapons (actual, useful firearms ) to make room in the gun cabinet.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Then when you would like your AR-15 delivered? It's not too late to get one for Christmas!

I wouldn't need a smuggled one. If I wanted an AR-15 I'd just go down to Canadian Tire and pick it up. There were a couple in stock, I noticed, last time I was in. But if I acquired an AR-15 I'd need to get rid of one of my hunting weapons (actual, useful weapons ) to make room in the gun cabinet.

Poor excuse, just buy another gun cabinet and the problem is solved!

[fifeboy]

Lemmy Lemmy:

to make room in the gun cabinet.

Waa.. You pussy ' Nadians LOCK UP yer guns? Woot ya gonna do if some Jedi raghead walks by yer house? By the time ye gets yer guns out he'd be past an ya cants yells castle doctern.

[BartSimpson]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Then when you would like your AR-15 delivered? It's not too late to get one for Christmas!

I wouldn't need a smuggled one. If I wanted an AR-15 I'd just go down to Canadian Tire and pick it up. There were a couple in stock, I noticed, last time I was in. But if I acquired an AR-15 I'd need to get rid of one of my hunting weapons (actual, useful weapons ) to make room in the gun cabinet.

Poor excuse, just buy another gun cabinet and the problem is solved!

Cabinet? I'd have expected you to have a room.

[2Cdo]

Not me. I only own 5 rifles and 1 shotgun all of which get plenty of workout. But I am possibly buying an M1 tomorrow if me and the seller can come to an agreement on price.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

$1:

U.S. President Barack Obama and Congress "should immediately deploy the National Guard and military troops to patrol the U.S. southern border as well as designated spots along the northern border," the plan reads.

Designated spots along the northern border is not the entire border.

And if this actually happens then wouldn't one of the beneficiaries be Canada? After all I hear a lot of complaints about guns being smuggled into Canada and if the US is actually guarding our side of the border then that act would necessarily reduce smuggling especially from people like the Mohawks whose smuggling operations you folks are too damned PC to interfere with.

That makes no sense.

Those fictional troops wouldn't pay any attention to people heading out of the country - just like DHS and Canada Border Services - their attention would be focussed 100% on those trying to get into the US.

[raydan]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Not me. I only own 5 rifles and 1 shotgun all of which get plenty of workout. But I am possibly buying an M1 tomorrow if me and the seller can come to an agreement on price.

That's 5 more rifles and 1 more shotgun than I own... unless you count a 43 Mauser that's in no condition to shoot and I don't have any bullets for it anyways.