[BRAH]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Cue-up the 9-11 Truther-like conspiracy theories in three, two, one....

It's already begun, the attacks were a false flag operation.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

It wasn't just stupidity and gullibility though. The lies that Bush regime and their fox news sycophants told on a near daily basis were busted almost as soon as they came out. It wasn't just the routine selective truth telling or "you have your statistics, I have mine" but BALD-FACED lies that were quickly easily disproved.

Like when Cheney and Rumsfeld declared the troops will be home from Iraq in months if not weeks, and then later denied saying that. I mean, we watched them say it on live TV. We read the op-ed letters in papers where they wrote exactly that. We played and read those back to them on live TV after they denied saying it. And they still just said "I never said it". And their followers never so much as blinked. Once I realized that was the world Americans live in, I knew the country was screwed because no amount of facts will change a Republicans' position on anything, they're a religion, not a political party.

As opposed to the party that said "We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves" or telling the American people that the Benghazi debacle was caused by a Youtube video and none of the deleted emails were classified.

[BeaverFever]

All politicians lie from time to time, or change positions, but there has been none like the Bush/Cheney regime and the Republican party since that time in terms of size, scale or frequency of deceit.

[N_Fiddledog]

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Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the 27-year-old Belgian man who authorities said masterminded the Nov. 13 terror attacks in Paris, is helping to debunk a stereotype that young jihadis leaving their Western homes to join militants of the Islamic State are angry, impoverished societal outcasts. Abaaoud is from an area of Brussels that has a strong middle class, booming commercial districts and a gentrifying “hipster” crowd, according to the Atlantic.

http://www.ibtimes.com/after-paris-atta ... re-2189787

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I asked Maher if, based on the center’s research, he could draw a typical jihadist profile. “The average British fighter is male, in his early 20s and of South Asian ethnic origin,” he began. “He usually has some university education and some association with activist groups. Over and over again, we have seen that radicalization is not necessarily driven by social deprivation or poverty.” He paused for a moment, and then went on. “Other than those who go for humanitarian reasons, some of the foreign fighters are students of martyrdom; they want to die as soon as possible and go directly to paradise. We’ve seen four British suicide bombers thus far among the 38 Britons who have been killed. Then there are the adventure seekers — those who think this will enhance their masculinity, the gang members and the petty criminals too; and then, of course, the die-hard radicals, who began by burning the American flag and who then advanced to wanting to kill Americans — or their partners — under any circumstance.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magaz ... .html?_r=0

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

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Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the 27-year-old Belgian man who authorities said masterminded the Nov. 13 terror attacks in Paris, is helping to debunk a stereotype that young jihadis leaving their Western homes to join militants of the Islamic State are angry, impoverished societal outcasts. Abaaoud is from an area of Brussels that has a strong middle class, booming commercial districts and a gentrifying “hipster” crowd, according to the Atlantic.

http://www.ibtimes.com/after-paris-atta ... re-2189787

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I asked Maher if, based on the center’s research, he could draw a typical jihadist profile. “The average British fighter is male, in his early 20s and of South Asian ethnic origin,” he began. “He usually has some university education and some association with activist groups. Over and over again, we have seen that radicalization is not necessarily driven by social deprivation or poverty.” He paused for a moment, and then went on. “Other than those who go for humanitarian reasons, some of the foreign fighters are students of martyrdom; they want to die as soon as possible and go directly to paradise. We’ve seen four British suicide bombers thus far among the 38 Britons who have been killed. Then there are the adventure seekers — those who think this will enhance their masculinity, the gang members and the petty criminals too; and then, of course, the die-hard radicals, who began by burning the American flag and who then advanced to wanting to kill Americans — or their partners — under any circumstance.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magaz ... .html?_r=0

This is a red herring. People don't have to experience deprivation themselves in order to identify with people they believe are deprived.

Not all of the people picketing abortion clinics directly experienced abortion first-hand. That doesn't mean they're any less sincere.

[N_Fiddledog]

So we agree then. It isn't anything the West deprives them of.

Perhaps you'll tell us one day exactly what you think it is without the Progressive weasel words like "disenfranchised". You just agreed it's nothing we took so what is the "franchise" we "dissed" from them?

Was it this from the first article?

""I'm from the south of England. I grew up in a middle class family," said Abu Anwar of Britain, who was 25 when he was interviewed by CNN. "Life was easy back home. I had a life. I had a car. But the thing is: You cannot practice Islam back home. We see all around us evil. We see pedophiles. We see homosexuality. We see crime. We see rape.""

See cause the guy in the New York Times tells us it's more this:

"“Other than those who go for humanitarian reasons, some of the foreign fighters are students of martyrdom; they want to die as soon as possible and go directly to paradise. We’ve seen four British suicide bombers thus far among the 38 Britons who have been killed. Then there are the adventure seekers — those who think this will enhance their masculinity, the gang members and the petty criminals too; and then, of course, the die-hard radicals, who began by burning the American flag and who then advanced to wanting to kill Americans — or their partners — under any circumstance.”"

But he's only studied hundreds of Jihadis. We need to listen more to you and your talk of "Red Herrings", because you've done what exactly? Studied herrings?

[BeaverFever]

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So we agree then. It isn't anything the West deprives them of.

Let me try again: They perceive that "their people" are being victimized by the west in various ways and in various parts of the world. They feel solidarity with those people, REGARDLESS of whether or not they believe they are also being directly victimized themselves. You can debate how accurate that perception is, but that is their perception nonetheless and it's the perception that matters because that is what they act on.

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See cause the guy in the New York Times tells us it's more this:

Nothing in what you've quoted excludes what I've written above.

[ccga3359]

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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So we agree then. It isn't anything the West deprives them of.

Let me try again: They perceive that "their people" are being victimized by the west in various ways and in various parts of the world. They feel solidarity with those people, REGARDLESS of whether or not they believe they are also being directly victimized themselves. You can debate how accurate that perception is, but that is their perception nonetheless and it's the perception that matters because that is what they act on.

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See cause the guy in the New York Times tells us it's more this:

Nothing in what you've quoted excludes what I've written above.

Really is that it then? They have a perception of victimization? So now it's pay the Jizya and feel yourself subdued or else...



Sorry Bud. No sympathy. Fuck them.

But what would you do with these "perceivers of victimization" then? Buy them lollies? Re-educate the masses to be more submissive to their will? Because that's what it would take to make them happy.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

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So we agree then. It isn't anything the West deprives them of.

Let me try again: They perceive that "their people" are being victimized by the west in various ways and in various parts of the world. They feel solidarity with those people, REGARDLESS of whether or not they believe they are also being directly victimized themselves. You can debate how accurate that perception is, but that is their perception nonetheless and it's the perception that matters because that is what they act on.

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See cause the guy in the New York Times tells us it's more this:

Nothing in what you've quoted excludes what I've written above.

Really is that it then? They have a perception of victimization? So now it's pay the Jizya and feel yourself subdued or else...



Sorry Bud. No sympathy. Fuck them.

But what would you do with these "perceivers of victimization" then? Buy them lollies? Re-educate the masses to be more submissive to their will? Because that's what it would take to make them happy.

I'll tell you what I wouldn't do, I wouldn't help them spread their hate by burning mosques and korans, and enacting a bunch of anti-Muslim laws like banning hijabs, etc.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'll tell you what I wouldn't do, I wouldn't help them spread their hate by burning mosques and korans, and enacting a bunch of anti-Muslim laws like banning hijabs, etc.

Let's go through those to discover which ones might excuse terrorists' tendency to kill people.

Burning mosques: This turns out to be Muslims themselves too often to take seriously. Churches get burned too. Somebody burned Sarah Palin's church down. They still don't know who. Ever been to Alaska?

Burning Korans: So what? Burn a bible if it makes you happy. Buy it, it's yours and you can do anything you want to it. Can't take street theater critique? Go somewhere they won't allow it. That place is not here.

Banning hijabs: What are you talking about? Nobody banned a hijab. I see them everyday.



I kinda like em. They're scarves. Who cares about scarves. The controversy was over a niqab.



Mohammedan activist girl wanted to skip the bit of a citizenship ceremony where she was required to reveal who she was. At the time it was the rule she had to. A judged ruled the policy of face hiding in a Niqab was lawful in citizenship court and now they can wear the niqab or go the full bee-keeper if they want.



They won. How many terrorists are created when they win? How guilty are we supposed to feel about it. I wouldn't feel guilty even if the Mohammedans had lost.

None of those offerings excuse terrorism. Try again.

[N_Fiddledog]

Meanwhile back at the subject:

This is sourced to a blog, but they're well known for doing translations of stuff you wouldn't otherwise see.

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‘Mastermind’ leader behind the Paris attack of Nov. 13 2015, interviewed by French TV in Syria March 2014!

In March 2014, Oz-Rita and our team translated and subtitled this video about a man who turned out to be the planner, (who the mass media pins the adjective of ‘mastermind’) of the Paris attacks of Nov. 15 – 2015 He describes the coming formation of the Caliphate and more. He was well known and broadcast across Europe more than a year and a half before this attack. This is a newly uploaded copy of that video we did in March 2014 as the channel we had posted it on, has been taken down. Thank you again Oz-Rita for doing this translation, and reminding me we did it. Turns out that it is of some significance.

http://vladtepesblog.com/2015/11/19/mas ... arch-2014/

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Let me try again: They perceive that "their people" are being victimized by the west in various ways and in various parts of the world. They feel solidarity with those people, REGARDLESS of whether or not they believe they are also being directly victimized themselves. You can debate how accurate that perception is, but that is their perception nonetheless and it's the perception that matters because that is what they act on.

Sounds like they have done a wonderful job of integrating into the West.

[Batsy2]

At the beginning of last night's episode of BBC One's "This Week", host Andrew Neil gave the greatest speech ever made since Churchill, a speech which has made national, if not international, headlines today.

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