[Canadian_Mind]

bootlegga bootlegga:

sandorski sandorski:

Doesn't matter. Justice is more important than Revenge.

^ This.

Events like this always make me think twice about my stand against the death penalty...this one hit especially hard because I have a little the same age as Hailey.

But Sandorski is right on this one.

Why?

Why is the death penalty wrong?

[andyt]

So the suspect is not mom's boyfriend, but was friends with her some years ago. He was a regular kid with a loving family, played hockey, etc. Lately tho he fell in with a bad crowd and was into drugs.

He's charged with 1st degree murder in both cases. Means the cops think he planned this out. Although they may just be "overcharging" him in order to plead down to 2nd degree.

There really doesn't seem to be a "logical" explanation why he would do this, especially to the little girl. It's beyond understanding.

[Freakinoldguy]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

And this ladies and gentlemen is why we should bring back the fucking death penalty.

Perhaps. But someone who kills a child should be tortured and kept alive for a while to feel the pain before they get iced.

I don't normally wish bad things on people, but if this sack of shit gets shanked in prison, I won't shed a tear.

-J.

I could go for that, especially the shanked part.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

So the suspect is not mom's boyfriend, but was friends with her some years ago. He was a regular kid with a loving family, played hockey, etc. Lately tho he fell in with a bad crowd and was into drugs.

He's charged with 1st degree murder in both cases. Means the cops think he planned this out. Although they may just be "overcharging" him in order to plead down to 2nd degree.

There really doesn't seem to be a "logical" explanation why he would do this, especially to the little girl. It's beyond understanding.

Simple. Some people are nothing more than rabid animals and can't be controlled no matter how much counselling or how many hugs they get. They're fucking defective from birth and this asshole is just another one of them who, unfortunately will be released into society at some point because we as a society have no stomach for protecting ourselves and our neighbours.

[Strutz]

It was heartbreaking to hear the news when she was found. How anyone can murder a beautiful baby like her is beyond me.

Rest in Peace little one.


May the asshole responsible get what he deserves.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Simple.

I think you meant simplistic.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Simple.

I think you meant simplistic.

Nope. You would might consider my response simplism but I assure you it's not.

[bootlegga]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

bootlegga bootlegga:

sandorski sandorski:

Doesn't matter. Justice is more important than Revenge.

^ This.

Events like this always make me think twice about my stand against the death penalty...this one hit especially hard because I have a little the same age as Hailey.

But Sandorski is right on this one.

Why?

Why is the death penalty wrong?

There are lots of reasons, it's expensive, it's not a deterrence to prevent murders, death penalties are often skewed along racial lines and so on , but the biggest for me is the rush to get revenge often blinds jurors, police officers and even judges to the facts of the case.

Look at David Milgaard - if we had executed him for the rape and murder he was convicted of (and exonerated for 20+ years later), we would have killed an innocent man.

I think locking them up and throwing away the key is a better method in so many ways.

[andyt]

Well that wouldn't happen since CKA has already convicted the guy without trial - so we know he's guilty.

Beyond the reasons you list, there's also that killing to show killing is wrong is may not be the most logical idea. Or moral.

[Thanos]

Well, his background indicates drugs and mental illness so he'll probably get the Vince Li defence and win with it. Four or five years in a mental hospital then freedom, which should have you knocking your ruby slippers together to no end.

[ShepherdsDog]

Why not....natives get avoid prison time based solely on their ethnicity. It was a few short months ago some gang banger bitch, with a criminal record, got pissed up, stole a truck and killed two kids while running from police. Her sentence, because of a Gladeu report amounted to SFA.

[andyt]

He's charge with first degree murder. Even if he was FN, he'd still get life with 25 years before parole eligibility. If he really is mentally ill like Vince Li, then he should be found not guilty. I doubt that will be the case tho.

[BartSimpson]

I support the death penalty but only when the conviction can be secured without any circumstantial or testimonial evidence.

Circumstantial cases are all too often the equivalent of a witch trial with 'spectral' evidence being admissible...such as the specious argument that "no one else could have done this".

Circumstantial cases are also suspect to me when the prosecutorial narrative keeps changing to fit facts as they are revealed. If I were a judge and the prosecution changed the argument that they made to justify an indictment I'd dismiss the case with prejudice.

Testimonies are often coerced by law enforcement and prosecutors and I would consider them inadmissible in capital cases (but accepted for other cases where the conviction can always be overturned later on).

So, yes, I support the death penalty but I would require a very high and incontrovertible standard for applying it.

[andyt]

What kind of evidence is neither circumstantial or testimonial? Forensic evidence is all circumstantial.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

What kind of evidence is neither circumstantial or testimonial? Forensic evidence is all circumstantial.

Mmmm, not it's not. Victim's blood on the suspect, suspect DNA on the victim, victim's blood in the suspect's car, suspect's prints on the murder weapon . . . quite a bit different than 'someone saw a person fitting that description near the scene'.