[andyt]

"stats probably" - hard to argue with that.

If we're not skipping checking people, then our response to this crisis will be very slow. Certainly not in line with what Hillier is proposing. We can speed it up by sending more visa officers to the region, but it's still a slow process. And many refugees, like the family of he boy that drowned, can't get the required documents together while in refugee camps over there in the first place. I don't think there's anyway to avoid having some jihadis slip in with the refugees even if we do our usual checks. And as we've seen, some of the children of these people grow up to be jihadis themselves, as all of a sudden the West isn't deferential enough to what they perceive as their specialness.

Anyway, taking in the refugees doesn't solve the problem - there are far too many of them for them all to be taken in. Better to give money to keep them alive over there, then they can go back to their own country when things calm down.

I'm not saying we should not take in refugees, but only as many as we can properly handle. And they need far more support than we give them now, including psychological support. The question then becomes, why are we willing to spend so much money on refugees, but not our own people in need, including psychological support?

[BartSimpson]

50,000 Palestinian and ISIS refugees in Canada?

Is Hillier campaigning for Scott Walker's border wall with Canada?

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

"stats probably" - hard to argue with that.

If we're not skipping checking people, then our response to this crisis will be very slow. Certainly not in line with what Hillier is proposing. We can speed it up by sending more visa officers to the region, but it's still a slow process. And many refugees, like the family of he boy that drowned, can't get the required documents together while in refugee camps over there in the first place. I don't think there's anyway to avoid having some jihadis slip in with the refugees even if we do our usual checks. And as we've seen, some of the children of these people grow up to be jihadis themselves, as all of a sudden the West isn't deferential enough to what they perceive as their specialness.

If Harper had not cut the diplomatic corp so deeply, we could have people there fast tracking the ones who do have documentation.

andyt andyt:

Anyway, taking in the refugees doesn't solve the problem - there are far too many of them for them all to be taken in. Better to give money to keep them alive over there, then they can go back to their own country when things calm down.

Getting rid of Assad would calm things down, very quickly.

andyt andyt:

I'm not saying we should not take in refugees, but only as many as we can properly handle. And they need far more support than we give them now, including psychological support. The question then becomes, why are we willing to spend so much money on refugees, but not our own people in need, including psychological support?

Good point, but as I posted in a different thread; refugees aren't a burden in the long run, they are an economic benefit. Especially in the long term. Money should not be the only factor int making these decisions, it's also the right thing to do to come to the aid of people in need. Even ones overseas.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Getting rid of Assad would calm things down, very quickly.

Not at first. The various factions would fight it out, and it would appear that ISIS would have the upper hand. If we step in with troops on the ground, we'd just be repeating another Iraq, putting in some sort of sham govt that favors us and is completely illegitimate, causing the whole thing to flare up again.

Then there's the Russians.

[Thanos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

When has anyone said we should skip checking people (single mothers included)?

I can think of Liberal leader and a NDP leader who right now for their own political gain are suggesting exactly that.

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Getting rid of Assad would calm things down, very quickly.

Sure. That worked so well in Libya and Iraq.

The middle east isn't going to settle down till the radicals from the different sects of Islam stop killing each other and everybody else in the name of their Religion.

Arab Spring had zero to do with democracy and everything to do with cleansing the opposition religious groups, opposition political groups, foreigners, and anyone else that disagreed with you oh, and to create a new Caliphates run by a football loving lunatic cleric who thinks he speaks for God.