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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:16 am
 


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Harper's given conservatives plenty of reasons to be pissed off at him, and I don't blame them for refusing to support him again.

Hopefully, if he wins and he's reduced to a minority, he'll start remembering the principles the Reform party stood for, instead of just copying all of the same cynical crap we used to criticize the Liberals for doing.

It'd be a long time coming.


Despite the commonality of corruption, nepotism, lying cheating and disrespecting everyone including Veterans this Government is more a clone of the Mulroney ones than any of the Liberals. It's really a shame that when this current crowd got to Ottawa they immediately started acting more like the 1980's version of the Progressive Conservatives than the Reform Party Preston Manning built them into.


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The NDP folks I know are shitting themselves in excitement.

I wonder if I'll vote this year.


Why wouldn't you vote? People in other countries sometimes die in trying to cast a ballot.

Besides, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about anything.

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What's scaring me is how many friends who were long term CPC/PC/Reform supporters are contemplating doing the unthinkable and voting NDP, because they feel betrayed by Harper, and that vapid twit Trust-fund Truedope has no credibility.

A former Reform/Alliance/CPC stalwart who is a friend and neighbour of my parents has decided to return to politics and is running as an independent. He quit federal politics for awhile because of a disagreement he had with Harper and the CPC. Chances are he'll get elected.


They likely feel the same way that my own MP, Brent Rathgeber, did.

Harper's made a mockery of the Reform Alliance's promises to reform the democratic system;

He's appointed a bunch of senators and other who've defrauded taxpayers just the way people used to complain Liberal appointees did;

He's pissed away public support for pipelines;

He's consistently failed to balance the budget, and only did so recently by sucking on the EI teat and draining the contingency fund;

He's presided over a huge increase in the national debt;

He's presided over a party that has confirmed cases of cheating in each of the last three elections;

He's crassly campaigned on the public dime with novelty cheques and his supporters defend themselves by saying that the Liberals did it too, when people call them out on their trying to buy our votes;

He's made a mockery of the idea that tax cuts return the money back to the people it belongs to, since with things like income-splitting and the fitness tax credits you only get the most money back if you meet certain criteria set out by the entity that confiscated your money to start with;

He's made the tax code in general much more complicated and messy overall;

He's passed half-baked terror legislation that has alarmed business leaders and stirred up opposition from devoted conservative bloggers, organizations and other supporters;

He's made a mockery of the legislative process by ramming through a bunch of different changes at once in huge omnibus bills without giving MPs time to properly review everything in them;

He's given Cabinet and Cabinet ministers a whole bunch of new discretionary powers that an NDP or Liberal government could wield;

Oh, and he's also launched us into the longest election campaign since about 1872. Given that the bill for a federal election in Canada usually runs in the neighbourhood of $250-300 million, anybody want to bet that this is going to cost us probably twice that much?

Harper's given conservatives plenty of reasons to be pissed off at him, and I don't blame them for refusing to support him again.

Hopefully, if he wins and he's reduced to a minority, he'll start remembering the principles the Reform party stood for, instead of just copying all of the same cynical crap we used to criticize the Liberals for doing.

It'd be a long time coming.


Don't forget his war on science and the environment.


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I'm going to think a lot harder before casting my ballot, this time. The current government is slipping outside the control of the electorate, just as happened during the Trudeau years. They have been in power too long it seems and they are forgetting who put them there and keep them there. I think that the Reform part of the party DID survive and still dominates. It's just that successive majority governments corrupt and any ideology that Preston Manning sent them off to Ottawa with has been forgotten or surpressed by "the system". Their lack of interest in Veterans just indicates to me that there are so few and so thin on the ground as to lo longer count in Canadian politics. The grim reaper and the Cold War left us as a tiny minority.


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I've already got my rant prepared for when the Tories call asking for money. :twisted:


Oh yea, that'll make a big difference. :lol:


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JaredMilne JaredMilne:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
What's scaring me is how many friends who were long term CPC/PC/Reform supporters are contemplating doing the unthinkable and voting NDP, because they feel betrayed by Harper, and that vapid twit Trust-fund Truedope has no credibility.

A former Reform/Alliance/CPC stalwart who is a friend and neighbour of my parents has decided to return to politics and is running as an independent. He quit federal politics for awhile because of a disagreement he had with Harper and the CPC. Chances are he'll get elected.


They likely feel the same way that my own MP, Brent Rathgeber, did.

Harper's made a mockery of the Reform Alliance's promises to reform the democratic system;

He's appointed a bunch of senators and other who've defrauded taxpayers just the way people used to complain Liberal appointees did;

He's pissed away public support for pipelines;

He's consistently failed to balance the budget, and only did so recently by sucking on the EI teat and draining the contingency fund;

He's presided over a huge increase in the national debt;

He's presided over a party that has confirmed cases of cheating in each of the last three elections;

He's crassly campaigned on the public dime with novelty cheques and his supporters defend themselves by saying that the Liberals did it too, when people call them out on their trying to buy our votes;

He's made a mockery of the idea that tax cuts return the money back to the people it belongs to, since with things like income-splitting and the fitness tax credits you only get the most money back if you meet certain criteria set out by the entity that confiscated your money to start with;

He's made the tax code in general much more complicated and messy overall;

He's passed half-baked terror legislation that has alarmed business leaders and stirred up opposition from devoted conservative bloggers, organizations and other supporters;

He's made a mockery of the legislative process by ramming through a bunch of different changes at once in huge omnibus bills without giving MPs time to properly review everything in them;

He's given Cabinet and Cabinet ministers a whole bunch of new discretionary powers that an NDP or Liberal government could wield;

Oh, and he's also launched us into the longest election campaign since about 1872. Given that the bill for a federal election in Canada usually runs in the neighbourhood of $250-300 million, anybody want to bet that this is going to cost us probably twice that much?

Harper's given conservatives plenty of reasons to be pissed off at him, and I don't blame them for refusing to support him again.

Hopefully, if he wins and he's reduced to a minority, he'll start remembering the principles the Reform party stood for, instead of just copying all of the same cynical crap we used to criticize the Liberals for doing.

It'd be a long time coming.



Is there a way to pin a post like this? I'd re-post it every time a Reformacon supporter gushes about Harper. Sums it up very nicely.


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Is there a way to pin a post like this? I'd re-post it every time a Reformacon supporter gushes about Harper. Sums it up very nicely.


In essence, it sums up pretty much every political party that's been in power.

Every government lies. Every government screws up and every government, Conservatives included, don't manage money all that well.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:05 am
 


Sure, sure, the Reformadinks haven't set new lows in many of these areas. The diapers are stinky, time for a new pair.


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Sure, sure, the Reformadinks haven't set new lows in many of these areas. The diapers are stinky, time for a new pair.


You have an exceptional ability to drag a conversation down to a grade 3 level. Kudos.


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In essence, it sums up pretty much every political party that's been in power.

Every government lies. Every government screws up and every government, Conservatives included, don't manage money all that well.


Yeah, but Harper was the new sheriff who rode into town urging us to "demand better" and that things were going to be different. The frustrations many Canadians felt about Liberal governments were going to be addressed.

And for that matter, I can't recall earlier Prime Ministers like Mackenzie King, Diefenbaker or Pearson having too much trouble managing public money. Nor leaders like Macdonald and Laurier, for that matter.

In fact, Harper's own Master's thesis credits Lester B. Pearson, of all people, for demonstrating fiscal conservatism.

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Our tests also provided some explanation of the evolution of Canada’s fiscal position. Canada was an extreme case of fiscal conservatism until the early 1970’s. It had a very successful record in reducing high World War II debt:GDP ratios. The Pearson government during the long boom of the 1960’s was probably the pinnacle of this conservatism. Canada’s debt and deficit problems began with overstimulation following the first OPEC oil price shock.



That's a quote from page 135 of Harper's 1991 Master's thesis published at the University of Calgary, on pages 135-136, at least according to a draft of an article analyzing Harper's political views that I helped an old poli sci prof of mine edit a few years ago.

Pearson was the guy who initiated the Canada Pension Plan, the Auto Pact, the Bilingualism and Biculturalism Commission, the 35-hour work week, Medicare and other things besides...

...and he's getting praised for his fiscal responsibility by Harper.

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Despite the commonality of corruption, nepotism, lying cheating and disrespecting everyone including Veterans this Government is more a clone of the Mulroney ones than any of the Liberals. It's really a shame that when this current crowd got to Ottawa they immediately started acting more like the 1980's version of the Progressive Conservatives than the Reform Party Preston Manning built them into.


Fair point-especially now that I think about it in light of my writing about how Harper came rolling into office depicting himself as the "new sheriff" in town to clean up the Liberal mess, much like Mulroney did 31 years ago.

Here's what I had in mind, though, when I wrote my previous post. This is an excerpt from the book Radical Tories: The Conservative Tradition In Canada, by Charles Taylor. Taylor wrote the book in 1982, when Pierre Trudeau was still in office but at the tail end of his career. One passage is particularly relevant:

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In the pursuit and exercise of power, Trudeau has divided us as never before, bribed us with our own money, and taught us that honesty and civility are for losers. As a result we have mortgaged not only our economic future, but also our self-respect. Trudeau's legacy to Canada is an increment in sleaziness, an alarming growth in our psychic national debt.



Substitute Harper's name for Trudeau's and you could easily say there isn't much difference. Trudeau did many great things for Canada, and Harper's certainly done some very good work on various issues too-Arctic sovereignty, arming our border guards, fixing issues with the gay marriage legislation, tightening the restrictions on big money in politics, addressing things like identity theft, and more-but at his worst Harper follows in the footsteps of Pierre Trudeau at his worst.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:24 am
 


Just get it over with for f*cks sake. :roll: Tomorrow would suit me.

I get one TV channel that I watch very little but I swear for the past couple months every 3rd ad is one or the other talking shit about the other. Many news articles are the same thing. Stop telling me how the other guy is going to f*ck me over and tell me how you are going to do it. :twisted:


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Where'd you get these ideas? Flying around the Arctic for photo ops is good work? Where's the icebreakers? New planes useful for Arctic patrols?
Using his typical fear message that the Russians are a threat while ignoring the real one - claiming the NWP to be 'international waters for free navigation"?
Arming the border guards? Have they needed to be? Or is it just so they can look silly on Border Security wearing body armour in the airport's secure zone?
WHAT things about identity theft? Every country has had to do things about it, it's a problem hat exploded in the last decade...
Asides from spewing out another Crime Bill every 48 hours for 10 years, which up to C-51 affected only a handful of people and exposed his biggest failing, - either total ignorance of or sheer contempt for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.


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Just get it over with for f*cks sake. :roll: Tomorrow would suit me.

I get one TV channel that I watch very little but I swear for the past couple months every 3rd ad is one or the other talking shit about the other. Many news articles are the same thing. Stop telling me how the other guy is going to f*ck me over and tell me how you are going to do it. :twisted:



:lol:

I wonder how many members of CKA could actually be influenced to vote one way or another.

My guess is 99% made up their minds years ago, and nothing will change it.


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Where'd you get these ideas? Flying around the Arctic for photo ops is good work? Where's the icebreakers? New planes useful for Arctic patrols?
Using his typical fear message that the Russians are a threat while ignoring the real one - claiming the NWP to be 'international waters for free navigation"?
Arming the border guards? Have they needed to be? Or is it just so they can look silly on Border Security wearing body armour in the airport's secure zone?
WHAT things about identity theft? Every country has had to do things about it, it's a problem hat exploded in the last decade...
Asides from spewing out another Crime Bill every 48 hours for 10 years, which up to C-51 affected only a handful of people and exposed his biggest failing, - either total ignorance of or sheer contempt for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.


Alright, I'll concede that Arctic sovereignty hasn't been the best example-particularly with the botching of our military procurements, which is the reason I didn't mention the military as one of the things Harper's done right.

As for his crime bills, I like them-while crime is decreasing overall, it doesn't change the fact that the sentences handed down by Canadian judges can be ridiculously short, not to mention the fact that we had absurd measures like the "faint hope" clause allowing prisoners with long sentences to apply for early parole, and the "two for one" credit on jail sentences reducing the amount of time they could spend in jail proportionate to the amount of time spent in custody before trial. The Supreme Court has softened some of these provisions, but this is one case where I think the Harper government has actually gotten things right.

Armed border guards-the question is why our border guards weren't armed in the first place, especially considering that border security is hazardous work-I'm thinking of the guards who have to search trucks and bags, dealing with people in God knows what kind of circumstances. Why shouldn't they be armed?

As for identity theft, Conservative MP James Rajotte got a private member's bill unanimously passed by Parliament to make things like the stealing and possessing of private information, trafficking in identity information, and unlawfully trafficking in identity documents that belong to someone else criminal offences.

And then there's the fact that Harper's changed our citizenship laws to favour people who already speak good English and/or French. This is how it should be-we should have classes available to help people learn our official languages, but new arrivals to Canada should learn to speak our languages-if any of us were to migrate to Peru, or Finland, or China, the locals would have every right to expect us to learn and communicate with them in Spanish, Finnish, or Mandarin...


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