[andyt]

$1:

In mid-1968, John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[34]

That's pretty heroic. And just surviving physically and mentally what he went thru might not be heroic, but certainly took grit.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

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In mid-1968, John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[34]

That's pretty heroic. And just surviving physically and mentally what he went thru might not be heroic, but certainly took grit.

Yeah, McCain has forgot more about honour than Trump will ever know.

[sandorski]

Not the first Republican to question McCain's heroism or patriotism based on his Vietnam involvement.

[xerxes]

I'm just curious what it's going to take for the GOP establishment to disavow this egomaniac. What does he have to say to be regarded as persona non grata? He'll always be booked on tv because people want to see what insane garbage comes out of his mouth next. But what will it take for him to get the point where no one in the GOP invites him to anything much less gives him the time of day?

Because heis doing so much damage now he just might a democratic plant. He's undoing all the minority outreach the GOP has tried since 2012.

[sandorski]

xerxes xerxes:

I'm just curious what it's going to take for the GOP establishment to disavow this egomaniac. What does he have to say to be regarded as persona non grata? He'll always be booked on tv because people want to see what insane garbage comes out of his mouth next. But what will it take for him to get the point where no one in the GOP invites him to anything much less gives him the time of day?

Because heis doing so much damage now he just might a democratic plant. He's undoing all the minority outreach the GOP has tried since 2012.

He'll probably support Single Payer Healthcare, then they'll be too outraged.

[Thanos]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Just in case anyone thinks Trump actually represents EITHER side, he has been registered in the past as both an independent and a Democrat. He was one of Bill Clintons biggest supporters back then.

Trump doesn't properly represent either party, just his little old douche-bag self.

Ray might be on to something but another theory I've seen trumpets that he is clandestinely working for Hillary in order to completely sabotage any Republican candidate.

Which kinda makes sense based on their past history.

Not really. The doofus is running under the Republican banner so they have to take responsibility for him, especially when it was only this incident that finally roused the other candidates enough to collectively tell him to shut up. Otherwise is like saying that the Alberta PC's can blame everything bad from the Klein years on the Alberta Liberals because Ralph was once a card-carrying Lib member. The buck stops with the GOP on Trump's idiocy. He's their problem now, and no one else's.

[andyt]

He's their problem alright. But I don't think the buck stops with them. AFAIK, any idiot can run for pres under a party banner, and the primary system weeds them out. If that's true, in fact it seems kinda funny that nobody before now has run a stalking horse in the opposing party. different than in Canada where you run a nomination race, already have to be vetted by the party, so they are responsible for whoever they wind up with.

That said, Trump isn't any crazier than some of the other candidates nor many in the Repub party.

[Public_Domain]

[Thanos]

Lyndon LaRouche used to officially be a Democrat and ran for president something like seven times in a row as an 'independent Democrat'. They also get other crazies like communists or conspiracy nuts like Cynthia McKinney that try presidential bids as Democrats too. To the party's credit these types are universally disavowed by the entire official organization, the candidates won't debate them, and they're not allowed anywhere near the convention. Compare that to the GOP where up until this schmozz over the McCain remarks the candidates were mostly going "hyuk-hyuk-hyuk, that Trumpie, what a card that guy is". Even with the McCain remarks the asshole still got a handshake from the others at the end of the event and an ovation from the dipshits in the crowd. It's fucking shameful in that someone who finally gets the sand to condemn Trump will basically bury his own chances because the fringe now has so much control over the party.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

And a plagiarist too. I remember the same bit from a Chris Rock standup a few years ago.

Skip to 7:40

It's okay when a black Democrat says it.

[BartSimpson]

sandorski sandorski:

Not the first Republican to question McCain's heroism or patriotism based on his Vietnam involvement.

Myself, I don't care to diminish what McCain went through as a POW but Chris Rock makes a point that the 'war hero' thing has been tarnished because McCain absolutely used it to facilitate his political ambitions.

McCain may well have been a war hero forty years ago but now he's just another political whore who sold his soul to the machine.

[xerxes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

sandorski sandorski:

Not the first Republican to question McCain's heroism or patriotism based on his Vietnam involvement.

Myself, I don't care to diminish what McCain went through as a POW but Chris Rock makes a point that the 'war hero' thing has been tarnished because McCain absolutely used it to facilitate his political ambitions.

McCain may well have been a war hero forty years ago but now he's just another political whore who sold his soul to the machine.

It also helps that Chris Rock is being funny while Trump is just being an asshole.

But I agree as well that McCain has used his war experience as a political crutch at times. But there's a lot of reasons to criticize McCain, ripping on his POW experiment is low. But then again, this is Trump we're talking about. A man without anything resembling a conscience or decency.

[Delwin]

Trump has jumped to a huge lead in the polls. Got to hand it to Americans, they are nothing if not consistent and they will choose style over substance every day of the week. Hurray for Hollywood.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

[Thanos]

I look at Americans attending Trump rallies with the same horror Willem Dafoe did in Mississippi Burning when he barely saved a 10-year old kid that the Klan had strung up. The only rational response the mind can muster is "what the hell is the matter with these people?".

Trump is the culmination of TeaBircherism. The id totally unrestrained by any sort of basic human decency. Populist insanity no longer hampered by any kind of conscience. The ultimate nadir of individual rights because the individual makes the active and deliberate decision, in absolute karmic violation of what individual rights were supposed to represent, to be the absolute worst person they can possibly become.

I openly support the US military taking over the entire country for a period of no less than twenty years in order to stabilize society and re-write the Constitution. I have to support this because Trump is nothing less than the most glaring marker that American democracy is now dead. They're not even voting for someone who might turn into a Domitian or Decius, where at least the enforced stability would make up for excesses of the iron hand. They've fallen so far into political perversity that there's now an active danger that in sixteen months they're deliberately going to put Elagabalus in the White House.

[2Cdo]

Thanos Thanos:

I look at Americans attending Trump rallies with the same horror Willem Dafoe did in Mississippi Burning when he barely saved a 10-year old kid that the Klan had strung up. The only rational response the mind can muster is "what the hell is the matter with these people?".

I got the same reaction looking at the stunned fucks who attended Obamas rallies for re-election. Did they honestly think this lame duck was going to get better. His actions speak far louder than his words.

Black criminals killed, White House speech. White people killed by black criminals, fucking silence.

Whitney Houston overdoses, flag lowered at White House. White servicemen killed by muslim, flag flies high and wish muzzies a happy eid or whatever.

He doesn't just make Carter look good, this fuckers actions are pure racist.