[ShepherdsDog]

With Mulcair, who knows what we'd get....Fiscal conservative? Social progressive? Someone who'll be anything just to have a shot at power?

He was a cabinet minister under a Liberal Government headed by a former PC minister.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

whereas the Conservative candidate went to Upper Canada College, spent a few years as an international bankster and parachuted in from the east as a politician.

You pretty much described the Liberal Party leader. Except he was a silver spoon kid who didn't accomplish anything outside of politics.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

whereas the Conservative candidate went to Upper Canada College, spent a few years as an international bankster and parachuted in from the east as a politician.

You pretty much described the Liberal Party leader. Except he was a silver spoon kid who didn't accomplish anything outside of politics.

Good point. None of them have ever really worked for a living. Mulcair and Harper are career politicians.

[andyt]

Actually Mulcair was a lawyer and uni prof. Trudeau was a teacher. By that standard it's Harper who hasn't accomplished anything, while Mulcair comes out on top.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I didn't doge your question--I was just pointing out how ridiculously partisan yours was. I mean "How can you seriously like the Liberals" demonstrates a viewpoint that is so far mired in party politics that you are at the point where you can't even imagine supporting another party.

Well, it appears you didn't understand my question. That's not what I asked at all nor was it partisan.

I asked you specifically about Justin:

$1:

As a Liberal, you can't seriously be happy with Justin as leader, are you?

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Do I think either the Liberals or the NDP would do a better job than the Conservatives? Definitely. It's my opinion that politicians, like babies, need to be changed often and for the same reason.

Turnover in politics is always good, but shouldn't be done for the sake of turnover.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Don't give this crap about the Liberals missing an opportunity. The Tory attack machine characterizes Trudeau as stupid, yet Ignatieff was a world-class intellectual, Rae was a Rhodes scholar and Dion was a university professor.

What does Iggy have to do with the CPC labelling Trudeau?

Do people need the CPC to tell them that Dion was a dithering fool or that Ignatief was about as interesting as a brown paper bag or that Bob Rae is a former NDP turncoat who's hated Ontario-wide?

No. The CPC just enforces what people already know/think and eventually see for themselves.

Had the Liberals opted for a quality candidate with name and substance like Garneau or Dryden, they’d be in a better place today. 3 bad picks for leader in a row isn’t the fault of the CPC. They missed out.

[herbie]

Yeah we've seen the ads. We're the imaginary silent majority of balding old men in suits and post menopausal women sitting around a boardroom table discussing how long a mandatory sentence our grandchildren should get if they dare smoke a joint.
Fucking long haired childish hippy.

[OnTheIce]

herbie herbie:

Yeah we've seen the ads. We're the imaginary silent majority of balding old men in suits and post menopausal women sitting around a boardroom table discussing how long a mandatory sentence our grandchildren should get if they dare smoke a joint.
Fucking long haired childish hippy.

Yes, because Conservatives are the only ones to do those types of ads, right?

The CPC and the NDP at least have the balls to put their name on their commercials rather than the Liberals and their supporters that funnel millions into things like the "Working Families Coalition" or the "Friends of Canadian Broadcasting" in order to protect the Liberal 'brand'.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Turnover in politics is always good, but shouldn't be done for the sake of turnover.

In my opinion, it should. I've always been a big fan of the 8-year limit for US presidents.

$1:

What does Iggy have to do with the CPC labelling Trudeau?

Hey everybody, let's play Deliberately Obtuse.

$1:

Do people need the CPC to tell them that Dion was a dithering fool or that Ignatief was about as interesting as a brown paper bag or that Bob Rae is a former NDP turncoat who's hated Ontario-wide?

Dion wasn't a dithering fool. The others I don't really know, but I met Dion on a couple of ocassions. He was quite competent actually. He did yeoman's work in the separation referendum and was quite successful at making his point at teh cabinet table.

You're simply spouting your Conservative talking points, as per usual.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey everybody, let's play Deliberately Obtuse.

Your original sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Dion wasn't a dithering fool. The others I don't really know, but I met Dion on a couple of ocassions. He was quite competent actually. He did yeoman's work in the separation referendum and was quite successful at making his point at teh cabinet table.

You're simply spouting your Conservative talking points, as per usual.

When it comes to politics, Dion was a dithering fool. He put a nail in his own coffin during a debate with Ignatieff when he made that stupid comment about priorities.

I don't "spout" Conservative talking points. In fact, I find that term is often used by those of your ilk that are highly partisan on the left and don't like it when your 'guy' is talked about in a negative light.

Notice none of the conservatives on here go at you or anyone else when you bring up the same points over and over again about Harper?

You guys picked the wrong leader. That's OK....because when Justin loses this year, you'll have the option to vote him out and give Canadians and Liberals a real choice at the polls.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

When it comes to politics, Dion was a dithering fool. He put a nail in his own coffin during a debate with Ignatieff when he made that stupid comment about priorities.

When challenegd, repeat Conservative talking points.

$1:

I don't "spout" Conservative talking points.

Yeah, read your last post. You repeat the Conservative talking points for the last three or four leaders of the Liberal party. It's really pretty evident to just about everyone except you.

[herbie]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

herbie herbie:

Yeah we've seen the ads. We're the imaginary silent majority of balding old men in suits and post menopausal women sitting around a boardroom table discussing how long a mandatory sentence our grandchildren should get if they dare smoke a joint.
Fucking long haired childish hippy.

Yes, because Conservatives are the only ones to do those types of ads, right?

The CPC and the NDP at least have the balls to put their name on their commercials rather than the Liberals and their supporters that funnel millions into things like the "Working Families Coalition" or the "Friends of Canadian Broadcasting" in order to protect the Liberal 'brand'.

WTF does that have to do with anything?
Jack Layton wore a lumberjack shirt and sat at a kitchen table sating the NDP represented working Canadians. Cuz he DID, his party DID, DOES and always HAD. And a lot of it always voted Liberal because "the NDP can't win".
Harper runs an ad showing "management" dismissing Trudeau over talking points they either made up entirely or dismiss as childish.
So if you think the guy in suit and tie represents the average Canadian loosen your own tie, it\s cutting the oxygen flow to your brain.
Harper had no more 'experience' than Justin Trudeau, his bumbuddies have all bailed out and the only experience he's got left is as a one man show keeping the absolute loonie backbench at bay just enough so we don't descend on Ottawa with pitchforks.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

When challenegd, repeat Conservative talking points.

Gee, short term memory problems? Liberals members, your people, took Dion to task over that comment. Ignatieff took him to task. I guess the Liberal membership uses Conservative talking points in their conventions.

If Dion was so fantastic and Iggy, a genius, why did Liberals vote them off the Island?

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yeah, read your last post. You repeat the Conservative talking points for the last three or four leaders of the Liberal party. It's really pretty evident to just about everyone except you.

They're not talking points. They're factual observations. The same observations that your party had which is why they are gone.

The same thing will happen with Justin.

[OnTheIce]

herbie herbie:

Harper had no more 'experience' than Justin Trudeau, his bumbuddies have all bailed out and the only experience he's got left is as a one man show keeping the absolute loonie backbench at bay just enough so we don't descend on Ottawa with pitchforks.

Sure he did. Just shows you've shown up to the debate ill-prepared, once again.

Going back to the "hidden agenda" stuff? Speaking of talking points....

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Gee, short term memory problems? Liberals members, your people, took Dion to task over that comment. Ignatieff took him to task. I guess the Liberal membership uses Conservative talking points in their conventions.

If Dion was so fantastic and Iggy, a genius, why did Liberals vote them off the Island?

Who knows? Lots of people get voted off the island. Lots of competent contenders never see the light of day. My own personal opinion is that luck and timing has a lot more to do with it than experts are willing to admit.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

They're not talking points. They're factual observations. The same observations that your party had which is why they are gone.

The same thing will happen with Justin.

Maybe, maybe not. Things are quite fluid right now and we've a long way to go.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Maybe, maybe not. Things are quite fluid right now and we've a long way to go.

What exactly is fluid right now besides the slide to 3rd in the polls?