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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Harris and Chretien are not anywhere near the same. And I'm not sure any Liberals "applaud" the Chretien cuts as much as reluctantly accept them (and the NPD doesn't even do that).

Thanks for the laugh. On this forum alone, Liberal supporters were far from "reluctantly accepting" and lauded them as the steps that saved Canada.

Mike Harris did a similar thing after Bob Rae fucked up the province and was attacked by the rabid left as if he was the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

Pretending the Liberal supporters didn't act like that is dishonest, but that doesn't surprise me anymore.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well, Even with some tax increases under the Liberals, Harris-era tax cuts still stand for the most part and leave us with $17 billion less per year on average than if he had just left the tax system alone.

For those who think that we should live with the Harris cuts under permanent austerity measures, just look to Europe where austerity doesn't seem to be doing anything to turn their economies around. That's the whole conservative ploy, don't you see? They want to force everyone into a neo-con free market fantasy land where a small and impotent government exists in name only and the private sector and the financial class rule unchallenged.

So Dolton and now Orville are going to spend our way out of debt?

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Yet another disgusting Mike Harris legacy that we're still cleaning up more than a decade later.

For the Conservatives who say we should stop bringing up Mike's name, I'll be more than happy to once were' done fixing all the shit that he busted up. Probably another 12 year from now.

The Liberals themselves have been ignoring this problem for the last 12+ years and now, since they've decided to look at it, they're the saviours here?

I guess they needed another 12 years to get some good solid data on the practice of these crooks.

Considering all the hate thrown at Harris, there's little hate being thrown to the Liberals that have kept much of what he did in place.

[BeaverFever]

Keep things in perspective: US has barely ever run a balanced budget since WW2.

While growing debt is of course not a good thing we're not on the precipice of disaster. The economy is cyclical and we don't need to all live like it's the stone age every time there's a downturn and wonder if we'll ever see growth again.

If all spending initiatives had to be cancelled every time there was a downturn, we'd still be living off what we had in 1981, since most big projects are multi-year programs from start to finish and ultimately fall in a recession year or rebound year. The time at the peak is always brief, no matter where you live. That's why they call it a peak.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well, Even with some tax increases under the Liberals, Harris-era tax cuts still stand for the most part and leave us with $17 billion less per year on average than if he had just left the tax system alone.

So why haven't the Liberals changed them?

The Liberals have had 12+ years to fix it, why are you still blaming Harris?

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OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well, Even with some tax increases under the Liberals, Harris-era tax cuts still stand for the most part and leave us with $17 billion less per year on average than if he had just left the tax system alone.

So why haven't the Liberals changed them?

The Liberals have had 12+ years to fix it, why are you still blaming Harris?

For the same reason Obama fans still blame Bush for everything. THEIR guy can do no wrong.

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OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well, Even with some tax increases under the Liberals, Harris-era tax cuts still stand for the most part and leave us with $17 billion less per year on average than if he had just left the tax system alone.

So why haven't the Liberals changed them?

The Liberals have had 12+ years to fix it, why are you still blaming Harris?

You mean why didn't they raise taxes even more? Because people like you scream bloody murder alrready. And it's just a reality of shitty human nature that once you cut taxes you can't just restore those same taxes all at once later. At best you can gradually increase them somewhat and over many years.

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Regina Regina:

The market created the industry not the government. The government doesn't regulate any other sales industry unless there's a problem. If there was a problem for the last decade why didn't McSquinty and his band of thieves fix it? "Cleaning up" something like this is done with the stroke of a pen, so why did they wait?

Unless the pen was used to sign cheques for NDP and Liberal dinners.

No you're way off

The market for private energy contacts did not exist under law. Full stop. Mike Harris passed a law making it legal. Full stop.

Wanna know what the market model was?

Ever heard of Enron?

As for the Liberals, they've legislated in this sector before. Of course there are big companies with big money invested so there are consultations, lobbying etc. but it's been a target of this government for a long time.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

As for the Liberals, they've legislated in this sector before. Of course there are big companies with big money invested so there are consultations, lobbying etc. but it's been a target of this government for a long time.

So why do they stand with their backs to the target?

[BeaverFever]

What does that mean?

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Regina Regina:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

No you're way off

The market for private energy contacts did not exist under law. Full stop. Mike Harris passed a law making it legal. Full stop.

Wanna know what the market model was?

Ever heard of Enron?

As for the Liberals, they've legislated in this sector before. Of course there are big companies with big money invested so there are consultations, lobbying etc. but it's been a target of this government for a long time.

You have no idea what you are talking about...........full stop.

He's just parroting what party headquarters told him to say. Repeat a lie often enough, and all that.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Well, Even with some tax increases under the Liberals, Harris-era tax cuts still stand for the most part and leave us with $17 billion less per year on average than if he had just left the tax system alone.

So why haven't the Liberals changed them?

The Liberals have had 12+ years to fix it, why are you still blaming Harris?

You mean why didn't they raise taxes even more? Because people like you scream bloody murder alrready. And it's just a reality of shitty human nature that once you cut taxes you can't just restore those same taxes all at once later. At best you can gradually increase them somewhat and over many years.

That’s your excuse? Really? That didn’t stop them from implementing the largest tax increase in Ontario’s history with the health care premium. They’ve had a majority government, there’s no excuse to blame Harris for things you’ve been in control over for the last 12+ years.

On the energy file, you’re placing the blame in the wrong place. The deregulation only happened a year before McGuinty was sworn into office. This whole door-to-door thing started under the watch of McGuinty. The competitive market didn’t actually open until May of 2002. The Liberals have had 12 years to make this change.

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Regina Regina:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

No you're way off

The market for private energy contacts did not exist under law. Full stop. Mike Harris passed a law making it legal. Full stop.

Wanna know what the market model was?

Ever heard of Enron?

As for the Liberals, they've legislated in this sector before. Of course there are big companies with big money invested so there are consultations, lobbying etc. but it's been a target of this government for a long time.

You have no idea what you are talking about...........full stop.

Geez, What an empty post. Why do even waste your time if you don't have anything to say?



Oh and I know VERY WELL what I'm talking about on this subject and that's all I'm going to say about that just my comments on the internet don't come back to bite me!

[BeaverFever]

$1:

He's just parroting what party headquarters told him to say. Repeat a lie often enough, and all that.

Actually my "headquarters" were definitely on the anti-regulation side which is why I know more on this topic than most.

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BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Oh and I know VERY WELL what I'm talking about on this subject and that's all I'm going to say about that just my comments on the internet don't come back to bite me!

Not even close, but regurgitating Liberal Party mantra blaming others for the problems with the province, even after 12 years in power, is all you have.