[Jabberwalker]

You already are in a serfdom lol. It's called the Common Wealth of the UK.

What the ...?

[ShepherdsDog]

Don't bother, it's congenital

[DrCaleb]

What Shep said, Jabber. Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Sharia law or any other law that contradicts constitutional rights never has and never will be an issue in Canada.

That. ^^

Just showmanship; much ado about nothing. We're as likely to adopt Shaira law as we are to return to serfdom.

Really? Are you so sure of this?

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/ame ... a-law.html

$1:

While defending the status quo in legislatures, Sharia law has been advancing in other American institutions, including the following:

• An increasing number of public American schools with Muslim students are holding Islamic prayers towards Mecca while public American universities continue to build Muslim-only washing facilities. In 2013, Skokie School District 68 in Illinois became the first US school district to celebrate Eid al-Adha, a Muslim high day, as a school holiday, in lieu of Veterans Day. In 2014, Rocky Mountain High School in Fort Collins, Colorado became the first high school to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic, replacing "One nation under God," with "One nation under Allah."

• In 1996, Bill Clinton became the first US president to hold an Eid al-Fitr dinner at the White House to celebrate the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month-long dawn-to-dusk fast. Eid al-Fitr includes six "Takbirs," the raising of hands and shouting, "Allahu Akbar!" to declare that Allah, the moon god, is the "Greatest."

• In 2000, the Republican National Convention became the first US presidential convention to open with a Muslim prayer to Allah, the moon god.

• In 2007, Quran for the first time was used to swear into office a new US Congressman, Keith Ellison (above).

• In 2009, Hudson County Superior Court Judge Joseph Charles Jr. ruled in S.D. v. M.J.R. that the Muslim ex-husband repeatedly had sexually assaulted his Muslim ex-wife, both before and after their divorce. Following testimony from the Muslim man's imam, however, the judge denied the ex-wife's request for a permanent restraining order against her ex-husband, citing the Muslim man's "belief" and "practices": "The court believes that [defendant] was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices."

• In 2009, a Christian US soldier at Baghram Air Force Base in Afghanistan received Bibles in two local languages sent by his American church as planned. The US military confiscated those Bibles and instead of at least returning them to the church, burned them. By contrast, when Terry Jones, a pastor in Florida, announced his plan to burn a copy of the Quran in 2010, General David Petraeus, the commander of the US military in Afghanistan, publicly objected to his plan, while US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced his plan as "disgraceful."

• To attract and manage (Middle Eastern) Muslim wealth, an increasing number of American financial institutions are becoming Sharia-compliant. This requires donating a percentage of their annual profits to Islamic organizations designated by their Sharia-compliance advisors, many of whom are members of the Muslim Brotherhood and funnel money to even terrorist groups (donations must go to one or more of eight recipient categories, one of which is Jihad).

• Muslim taxi drivers are challenging local authorities for the right to refuse to pick up blind passengers with seeing-eye dogs, while Muslim supermarket cashiers are challenging their employers for the right to refuse to sell products from pigs. Both are considered unclean in Islam.

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

$1:

While defending the status quo in legislatures, Sharia law has been advancing in other American institutions, including the following:
. In 2014, Rocky Mountain High School in Fort Collins, Colorado became the first high school to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic, replacing "One nation under God," with "One nation under Allah."

• In 1996, Bill Clinton became the first US president to hold an Eid al-Fitr dinner at the White House to celebrate the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month-long dawn-to-dusk fast. Eid al-Fitr includes six "Takbirs," the raising of hands and shouting, "Allahu Akbar!" to declare that Allah, the moon god, is the "Greatest."

• In 2000, the Republican National Convention became the first US presidential convention to open with a Muslim prayer to Allah, the moon god.

• In 2007, Quran for the first time was used to swear into office a new US Congressman, Keith Ellison (above).

• In 2009, Hudson County Superior Court Judge Joseph Charles Jr. ruled in S.D. v. M.J.R. that the Muslim ex-husband repeatedly had sexually assaulted his Muslim ex-wife, both before and after their divorce. Following testimony from the Muslim man's imam, however, the judge denied the ex-wife's request for a permanent restraining order against her ex-husband, citing the Muslim man's "belief" and "practices": "The court believes that [defendant] was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices."

• In 2009, a Christian US soldier at Baghram Air Force Base in Afghanistan received Bibles in two local languages sent by his American church as planned. The US military confiscated those Bibles and instead of at least returning them to the church, burned them. By contrast, when Terry Jones, a pastor in Florida, announced his plan to burn a copy of the Quran in 2010, General David Petraeus, the commander of the US military in Afghanistan, publicly objected to his plan, while US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced his plan as "disgraceful."

• To attract and manage (Middle Eastern) Muslim wealth, an increasing number of American financial institutions are becoming Sharia-compliant. This requires donating a percentage of their annual profits to Islamic organizations designated by their Sharia-compliance advisors, many of whom are members of the Muslim Brotherhood and funnel money to even terrorist groups (donations must go to one or more of eight recipient categories, one of which is Jihad).

• Muslim taxi drivers are challenging local authorities for the right to refuse to pick up blind passengers with seeing-eye dogs, while Muslim supermarket cashiers are challenging their employers for the right to refuse to sell products from pigs. Both are considered unclean in Islam.

I was under the impression that Allah was Arabic for God, so if speaking Arabic one uses that term whenever speaking of God.

What is this Moon God thing?

I thought that the U.S. had laws against supporting terrorist organizations or do Wall Street types get an exemption?

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Sharia law or any other law that contradicts constitutional rights never has and never will be an issue in Canada.

That. ^^

Just showmanship; much ado about nothing. We're as likely to adopt Shaira law as we are to return to serfdom.

Really? Are you so sure of this?

Quite sure. Canada is a secular country, and our system of law won't allow for any infiltration of law based on religion. A few examples of people making accommodation for different religions in a social setting won't be changing our system of government or the system of law here. Or in the US, for that matter.

[andyt]

The camel's nose are the Christian and Jewish groups that push for special deals. Once you allow that, you can't so no to the Muslims. And some of those deals can fly against the constitution, since they discriminate against sex or otherwise. We need to ensure that that government remains secular in all aspects.

[BartSimpson]

fifeboy fifeboy:

What is this Moon God thing?

It's because Islam uses a lunar calendar and because the name 'Allah' predates Islam and there is a preponderance of politically unpopular artifacts that indicate that Allah and Elia/Ilia are synonymous.

Some basic Arabic here: "Allah" is actually two words, "Al Lah". It literally means "Of Lah".

But 'Lah' is not a proper name so the estimation of various linguists is that the origination of "Allah" is likely from "Al Ilia".

Ilia was a moon god of the Arab tribes and was one of the gods worshipped at the Kaaba prior to Islam. The lunar calendar was part and parcel of worshipping Ilia.

While it's just scholarly speculation there are some who believe that Mohammed was a follower of Elia who decided that not only was Elia the greatest god ("Allahu Akbar" sound familiar?) but that Elia was the only god.

While the Koran is mostly silent on the nature of Allah there are several references in it that can be considered to acknowledge that at some point that Allah was one of a panoply of gods much the same as the God of Abraham was one among other gods in society such as Baal or Asherah.

[andyt]

Israelites picked up YHWH while traversing thru what is now Saudi Arabia and Jordan. This was a small handful. Most Israelites were actually lower class Canaanites that had overthrown the ruling elite, formed small, simple, commutarian settlements. They responded well to the tale of fleeing for freedom this small group from Egypt brought with them, so incorporated the story of Exodus into their mythology. There was no Exodus.

The idea of the one God, was only finalized while in exile in Assyria, to differentiate themselves from their conquerors, as was circucision. Similar to Sikhs and their 5 K's. So YHWH was actually a god of probably the same people (much earlier) than this moon God.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Quite sure. Canada is a secular country, and our system of law won't allow for any infiltration of law based on religion. A few examples of people making accommodation for different religions in a social setting won't be changing our system of government or the system of law here. Or in the US, for that matter.

Bull.

Lots of things have changed over the years, we used to be all British subjects of Empire.

And it's not a social setting they are after, it's a legal one.


This, is, as usual, only a question of time and numbers.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

There was no Exodus.

While this is the current meme of the atheist movement the problem with it is that the source of the Book of Exodus was written by Moses during his lifetime. While the current book absolutely indicates revisions and etc. that were not consistent with the language and thought of the period of the Exodus the overall narrative is still attributed to Moses.

With that much accepted then Moses would have been documenting an event that contemporaries of his had been witness to. Had there been a lack of consensus on Moses' words then that schism would have likely been significant in Jewish history. There is no such schism so the overall gist of the work indicates that the Exodus was a real event.

[ShepherdsDog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

fifeboy fifeboy:

What is this Moon God thing?

It's because Islam uses a lunar calendar and because the name 'Allah' predates Islam and there is a preponderance of politically unpopular artifacts that indicate that Allah and Elia/Ilia are synonymous.

Some basic Arabic here: "Allah" is actually two words, "Al Lah". It literally means "Of Lah".

But 'Lah' is not a proper name so the estimation of various linguists is that the origination of "Allah" is likely from "Al Ilia".

Ilia was a moon god of the Arab tribes and was one of the gods worshipped at the Kaaba prior to Islam. The lunar calendar was part and parcel of worshipping Ilia.

While it's just scholarly speculation there are some who believe that Mohammed was a follower of Elia who decided that not only was Elia the greatest god ("Allahu Akbar" sound familiar?) but that Elia was the only god.

While the Koran is mostly silent on the nature of Allah there are several references in it that can be considered to acknowledge that at some point that Allah was one of a panoply of gods much the same as the God of Abraham was one among other gods in society such as Baal or Asherah.

The early Hebrews most likely worshiped a pantheon of gods and goddesses. Asherah was supposed to have been the consort of Yahweh. Elohim, one of the names given to God by the Hebrews, has the same root El as the Arab word for God, Al Lah. Just keep in mind that Allah is what Arab Christians also call God.

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Just keep in mind that Allah is what Arab Christians also call God.

In many moslem-run countries it's illegal for Christians to speak that name.

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/atlas- ... 014/01/01/

Given that the moslems themselves differentiate their god from the Christian God then I'm inclined to agree with them on that point.

Allah =/= God

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Quite sure. Canada is a secular country, and our system of law won't allow for any infiltration of law based on religion. A few examples of people making accommodation for different religions in a social setting won't be changing our system of government or the system of law here. Or in the US, for that matter.

Bull.

Lots of things have changed over the years, we used to be all British subjects of Empire.

And it's not a social setting they are after, it's a legal one.

This, is, as usual, only a question of time and numbers.

Our system of law hasn't changed since the Magna Carta, and none of us are willing to change it now to accommodate any particular religion.

[ShepherdsDog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Just keep in mind that Allah is what Arab Christians also call God.

In many moslem-run countries it's illegal for Christians to speak that name.

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/atlas- ... 014/01/01/

Given that the moslems themselves differentiate their god from the Christian God

Allah =/= God

No. They differentiate Allah from Jesus. Something Jesus himself did as well.