[DrCaleb]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's not superbugs that weaken our immune system, they just kill us. It's the lack of exposure to the less harmful bugs through things like 'antibacterial' soaps and feeding antibiotics to food animals that many immunologists seem to think are weakening our immunity.

I've been saying that for years. When anti-bacterial soaps only kill 99% of bacteria it stands to reason that the surviving 1% will be stronger.

The irony there is that normal soap destroys bacteria just fine. The detergent takes the cell walls, and pops them like a balloon exposing the DNA inside to the cold hard world.

Adding triclosan to soap also has some nasty effects on things that have to live in the water once it's reclaimed, like fish and frogs. In addition to promoting bacterial resistance!

[ShepherdsDog]

Chloramine also has an nasty side effect for fish....death. I remeber a few years(93 0r 94) back when Abbotsford...or was it still just Clearbrook, changed from chlorine to chloramine to treat their water. There was a fire at Vanderpol Eggs on Mt. Lehman Rd. The fire trucks had town water and all that water ran into the creek behind Vanderpol's and destroyed the spawning beds of the freshwater eels and trout there.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Chloramine also has an nasty side effect for fish....death. I remeber a few years(93 0r 94) back when Abbotsford...or was it still just Clearbrook, changed from chlorine to chloramine to treat their water. There was a fire at Vanderpol Eggs on Mt. Lehman Rd. The fire trucks had town water and all that water ran into the creek behind Vanderpol's and destroyed the spawning beds of the freshwater eels and trout there.

When I lived in Jasper, they didn't chlorinate the water, they just added some salt. Aqueous chlorine is still chlorine! And it doesn't hurt wildlife in low concentrations.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

Quebec measles cases linked to Disneyland outbreak
None of the 10 people who contracted measles in the province's Lanaudière region was vaccinated

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.2953336

[Regina]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Also, just in:

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Health-Wir ... id/623973/

Seems the CDC omitted information from a 2004 report where a CDC study found links between the MMR vaccine and the onset of autism in children.

2004 isn't just in.........you just googled it. Also if you cared or even knew what was said in the blog you would have done more research and wouldn't have claimed the CDC omitted anything. If there was an omission it was done by WW Thompson and his gang, since he was one of the researchers who published the study. You may also like to know he has done at least one more since then which was published in the AAP in 2010. I know you don't like to get bogged down on all that geek talk so here's the abstract and the whole study can be found there as well.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... 9.abstract

You may also want to do a little reading at the actual CDC site and read more of the studies that have been done before and after 2004. Maybe too much to plow through, but it's not like the raw data is hidden from you.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concer ... Index.html

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf ... Autism.pdf

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Also, just in:

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Health-Wir ... id/623973/

Seems the CDC omitted information from a 2004 report where a CDC study found links between the MMR vaccine and the onset of autism in children.

2004 isn't just in.........you just googled it. Also if you cared or even knew what was said in the blog you would have done more research and wouldn't have claimed the CDC omitted anything. If there was an omission it was done by WW Thompson and his gang, since he was one of the researchers who published the study. You may also like to know he has done at least one more since then which was published in the AAP in 2010. I know you don't like to get bogged down on all that geek talk so here's the abstract and the whole study can be found there as well.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... 9.abstract

You may also want to do a little reading at the actual CDC site and read more of the studies that have been done before and after 2004. Maybe too much to plow through, but it's not like the raw data is hidden from you.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concer ... Index.html

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf ... Autism.pdf

[Regina]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I've been saying that for years. When anti-bacterial soaps only kill 99% of bacteria it stands to reason that the surviving 1% will be stronger.

That is just a marketing ploy to make you think it's really good. My wife buys that one hook line and sinker. We have 4 bathrooms in my house and one or two have the "anti-bacterial" label on the soap bottles. If I use one of the others I make a point to ask her if my hands are clean because it didn't say "anti-bacterial" on it. She tells me to shut up.

[Regina]

Bart the study was in 2004 the blog was written the other day using single sourced and possibly outdated information.

[2Cdo]

Regina Regina:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I've been saying that for years. When anti-bacterial soaps only kill 99% of bacteria it stands to reason that the surviving 1% will be stronger.

That is just a marketing ploy to make you think it's really good. My wife buys that one hook line and sinker. We have 4 bathrooms in my house and one or two have the "anti-bacterial" label on the soap bottles. If I use one of the others I make a point to ask her if my hands are clean because it didn't say "anti-bacterial" on it. She tells me to shut up.

I have never used anti-bacterial soap, even in some of the dirtiest places in the world I've been to. Just soap and water, when available, and nothing has killed me yet.

But I do have all my shots up to date.

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

Bart, I didn't see the date on that story. Sorry about that.

No worries.

[Regina]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Regina Regina:

Bart, I didn't see the date on that story. Sorry about that.

No worries.

I saw it right off.......it just made no difference to the study. It's just a blog newspaper and can make no representation for the CDC.

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

It's just a blog newspaper and can make no representation for the CDC.

Why not? They're not allowed to question the CDC?

[Regina]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Regina Regina:

It's just a blog newspaper and can make no representation for the CDC.

Why not? They're not allowed to question the CDC?

Did you not read it? They were not questioning the CDC at all, rather they were making accusations and in the wrong direction without referencing other studies or a more recent study done with one of the same researchers. Seems odd that he's done another since they with the same results and can find no link. Did you read any of the other dozens of studies I provided?

[herbie]

Saw the title and couldn't help but think of the old 80s joke about lepers in a hot tub...