[Tyler_1]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thanos Thanos:

Take it from me, that CKA block function works wonders when you finally have enough of dealing with the designated trololols. 'Display this post'?, Nah, I don't think so, fella.

I vowed I would never block/ignore any poster on this site but I reneged on myself and finally had to do it. I find it makes posting here more fun no longer having to view a certain persons idiocy.

I'm sorry and hopefully I won't do that again.

[2Cdo]

DonnaWho DonnaWho:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thanos Thanos:

Take it from me, that CKA block function works wonders when you finally have enough of dealing with the designated trololols. 'Display this post'?, Nah, I don't think so, fella.

I vowed I would never block/ignore any poster on this site but I reneged on myself and finally had to do it. I find it makes posting here more fun no longer having to view a certain persons idiocy.

I'm sorry and hopefully I won't do that again.

Nothing to be sorry about, and believe me it wasn't you by a long shot.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

No, sure, Idaho is just chock full of muslims.

There are far more incidents like this in the US and Canada with far more casualties, by various citizens than by jihadist attacks. But all the wailing and moaning is about the jihadis, and how their evil religion makes them do this. Well, what makes people like this guy do this, or the Sandy Hook guy, or too many to list. Those are just the bad apples, the guys gone off the rails, while all Muslims are deemed to be responsible for acts of jihadis. I'm continually assured here by people that the US and Canada were founded by by Christians, ie are Christian nations, and surveys in both countries show the vast majority identify as Christians. Maybe Christianity is playing a role in all this.

(I know, I know, PA9, there I go again slagging Christianity. Terrible. The slagging you and others here give Islam, well that's just common sense.)

Actually my problem with your post(and similar posts of yours) is the attitude that, because we have our own home grown assholes we should have no problem with the dreck we import.

We should have problems with all people causing trouble. Just focusing on some is exactly my point. Jihadis killing people, lets get all bent out of shape and try to tar all Muslims with the same brush. Killings by people who aren't black or Muslim, well those are just a few bad apples and what are you gonna do, just part of life.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Allow me to point out that, until assholes like this guy start using Christianity as an excuse for their vile, repulsive, reprehensible acts and until a goodly portion of Christianity thinks those vile, repulsive and reprehensible acts are morally just there is absolutely, zip, nada, nil, no comparison between the North American purveyors of these types of sick and disgusting crimes and the Jihadi terrorists some people on this forum champion.

The closest we in North America have had to a terrorist zealot was Timothy McVeigh and I'm pretty sure most Christians thought his action in Oklahoma City to be nothing more than a heinous terrorist attack purported by a Government hater. Not, some morally superior devotee who was going to go to heaven for committing that barbarous act. Also, I may be wrong but, for the life of me I can't seem to remember any Christian Religious leaders applauding his actions. No Parish Priests, no Anglican Ministers no Baptist Deacons, none. As a matter of fact, nobody from the Christian Religion stepped forward and claimed McVeigh had a moral and divine obligation to do what he did.

I may be missing something here but it's pretty apparent that one group is completely devoid of human emotions and redeeming values but, secular while, the other group is comprised of a fun loving bunch of goat fucking, sheep stealing, dog hating, women beating, butt licking, religious zealots who, with the approval of a large portion of their religion and it's leaders want nothing more than to drag humanity back into their warped vision of the dark ages.

So, to compare the two disparate groups is completely disingenuous and nothing more than a strawman to try and deflect the blame for acts like those perpetrated against Charlie Hebdo from where they rightly belong. On the backs of radical Islam and the followers who openly or overtly support it.

What difference does it make what the motivation is? Why is religious motivation something to get all bent out of shape about, but whatever drove this guy to do what he did, well, no big deal? People are just as dead, and in both the US and Canada, far more people get killed by guys like this than the jihadis. Why is it meh for this guy, but let some idiot use religion as his supposed reason for killing and OMG?

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Allow me to point out that, until assholes like this guy start using Christianity as an excuse for their vile, repulsive, reprehensible acts and until a goodly portion of Christianity thinks those vile, repulsive and reprehensible acts are morally just there is absolutely, zip, nada, nil, no comparison between the North American purveyors of these types of sick and disgusting crimes and the Jihadi terrorists some people on this forum champion.

The closest we in North America have had to a terrorist zealot was Timothy McVeigh and I'm pretty sure most Christians thought his action in Oklahoma City to be nothing more than a heinous terrorist attack purported by a Government hater. Not, some morally superior devotee who was going to go to heaven for committing that barbarous act. Also, I may be wrong but, for the life of me I can't seem to remember any Christian Religious leaders applauding his actions. No Parish Priests, no Anglican Ministers no Baptist Deacons, none. As a matter of fact, nobody from the Christian Religion stepped forward and claimed McVeigh had a moral and divine obligation to do what he did.

I may be missing something here but it's pretty apparent that one group is completely devoid of human emotions and redeeming values but, secular while, the other group is comprised of a fun loving bunch of goat fucking, sheep stealing, dog hating, women beating, butt licking, religious zealots who, with the approval of a large portion of their religion and it's leaders want nothing more than to drag humanity back into their warped vision of the dark ages.

So, to compare the two disparate groups is completely disingenuous and nothing more than a strawman to try and deflect the blame for acts like those perpetrated against Charlie Hebdo from where they rightly belong. On the backs of radical Islam and the followers who openly or overtly support it.

What difference does it make what the motivation is? Why is religious motivation something to get all bent out of shape about, but whatever drove this guy to do what he did, well, no big deal? People are just as dead, and in both the US and Canada, far more people get killed by guys like this than the jihadis. Why is it meh for this guy, but let some idiot use religion as his supposed reason for killing and OMG?

Motivation and motive are everything. This guy may have had a motive to commit murder but I seriously doubt he had the motivation of religion to carry out the act.

So, until you can show me where this guy came out and said he committed this atrocity in the name of Christianity and was then lauded by the Christian community and a segment of it's religious leaders there is a very large difference between him, others like him and the sociopaths of Radical Islam.

They all may be fucking animals who deserve to die painful lingering deaths but, only one group uses their religion as a shield to condone those horrific acts.

[andyt]

Again, what difference does that make? Why is it so much worse to use religion as a justification compared whatever justification other use, if any?

The point is our "Christian" society is producing plenty of spree and serial killers. They are killing out of some sort of hate, same as the jihadis. Why is that just deemed nothing to worry too much about, but let a guy claim he's acting in the name of Islam, and all of a sudden it's OMG?

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Again, what difference does that make? Why is it so much worse to use religion as a justification compared whatever justification other use, if any?

The point is our "Christian" society is producing plenty of spree and serial killers. They are killing out of some sort of hate, same as the jihadis. Why is that just deemed nothing to worry too much about, but let a guy claim he's acting in the name of Islam, and all of a sudden it's OMG?

Your rationalization of this is a little weird. One is an organized group of radicals bent on world domination and the other is a mental deficient bent on killing people and if you can't see the difference you're deluding yourself.

So, until the sick fucking serial killers, start taking down buildings, murdering extremely large numbers of innocents, creating Caliphates complete with sex slaves, murdering whole villages, threatening all non Muslim countries and demanding we all bow before their religion there's a big difference.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

No, sure, Idaho is just chock full of muslims.

There are far more incidents like this in the US and Canada with far more casualties, by various citizens than by jihadist attacks. But all the wailing and moaning is about the jihadis, and how their evil religion makes them do this. Well, what makes people like this guy do this, or the Sandy Hook guy, or too many to list. Those are just the bad apples, the guys gone off the rails, while all Muslims are deemed to be responsible for acts of jihadis. I'm continually assured here by people that the US and Canada were founded by by Christians, ie are Christian nations, and surveys in both countries show the vast majority identify as Christians. Maybe Christianity is playing a role in all this.

(I know, I know, PA9, there I go again slagging Christianity. Terrible. The slagging you and others here give Islam, well that's just common sense.)

Actually my problem with your post(and similar posts of yours) is the attitude that, because we have our own home grown assholes we should have no problem with the dreck we import.

We should have problems with all people causing trouble. Just focusing on some is exactly my point. Jihadis killing people, lets get all bent out of shape and try to tar all Muslims with the same brush. Killings by people who aren't black or Muslim, well those are just a few bad apples and what are you gonna do, just part of life.

Here's the thing andy, we can't prevent our own homegrown assholes being born here. We CAN prevent problematic cultures from infecting our country, if we have the will.
But based on what happened to Eric Brazeau, the will is certainly NOT in Ontario.

Prior to the this shit with Islam, "foreign" terrorism in Canada didn't target Canadians, our infrastructure or way of life, per se. The Cubans went after the Cuban embassy and Cuban diplomats. The Armenians went after the Turkish embassy and Turkish diplomats. The Sikhs killed other Indians. The peoples of the former Yugoslavia went after each other.
Of course none of that shit is acceptable on our turf but at least their aims were freedom from oppression in their home countries, not to try and inflict intentional harm upon us.

[Thanos]

DonnaWho DonnaWho:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thanos Thanos:

Take it from me, that CKA block function works wonders when you finally have enough of dealing with the designated trololols. 'Display this post'?, Nah, I don't think so, fella.

I vowed I would never block/ignore any poster on this site but I reneged on myself and finally had to do it. I find it makes posting here more fun no longer having to view a certain persons idiocy.

I'm sorry and hopefully I won't do that again.

But if we blocked you the kittehs wouldn't have any place to go to. Won't some one please think of the kittehs.

How's you end up with that warning that never goes away? You're one of the unlikeliest people around here to ever end up in trouble with the mods.

[Thanos]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Thanos Thanos:

Take it from me, that CKA block function works wonders when you finally have enough of dealing with the designated trololols. 'Display this post'?, Nah, I don't think so, fella.

I vowed I would never block/ignore any poster on this site but I reneged on myself and finally had to do it. I find it makes posting here more fun no longer having to view a certain persons idiocy.

The last time I had to do it was with Kenmore. This says something, despite my tendency to fly off the handle too often, that I am willing to tolerate a lot of nonsense from someone until I finally reach a limit.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Actually my problem with your post(and similar posts of yours) is the attitude that, because we have our own home grown assholes we should have no problem with the dreck we import.

We should have problems with all people causing trouble. Just focusing on some is exactly my point. Jihadis killing people, lets get all bent out of shape and try to tar all Muslims with the same brush. Killings by people who aren't black or Muslim, well those are just a few bad apples and what are you gonna do, just part of life.[/quote]
Here's the thing andy, we can't prevent our own homegrown assholes being born here. We CAN prevent problematic cultures from infecting our country, if we have the will.
But based on what happened to Eric Brazeau, the will is certainly NOT in Ontario.

Prior to the this shit with Islam, "foreign" terrorism in Canada didn't target Canadians, our infrastructure or way of life, per se. The Cubans went after the Cuban embassy and Cuban diplomats. The Armenians went after the Turkish embassy and Turkish diplomats. The Sikhs killed other Indians. The peoples of the former Yugoslavia went after each other.
Of course none of that shit is acceptable on our turf but at least their aims were freedom from oppression in their home countries, not to try and inflict intentional harm upon us.[/quote]


Well the people who died in Air India were mostly Canadian residents and citizens. You mean it would be OK if we had Muslims killing Muslims here? The Sikhs that did the deed were also Canadian citizens or prs - so how foreign is that?

The Muslim terror attacks we've had have also been homegrown - I con't think of any foreign attacks.

I'm just not sure how any of this matters, that we would just shrug our shoulders if a certain ethnicity only kills others of that ethnicity here, but OMG if they cross ethnic/religious lines.

We already have Muslims living here, and converting here, so it's already too late to just say no Muslims allowed. Not sure what doing so would do to our Charter and sense of equality either. As I've said repeatedly, we can limit to a much smaller overall number, so that immigrants are under more pressure to integrate instead of forming their own separate communities. We can also do a much better job of vetting immigrants and their attitudes towards democracy and free speech. Doing so might lead us to rejecting many Muslim applicants - I have no problem with that.

[stratos]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Allow me to point out that, until assholes like this guy start using Christianity as an excuse for their vile, repulsive, reprehensible acts and until a goodly portion of Christianity thinks those vile, repulsive and reprehensible acts are morally just there is absolutely, zip, nada, nil, no comparison between the North American purveyors of these types of sick and disgusting crimes and the Jihadi terrorists some people on this forum champion.

The closest we in North America have had to a terrorist zealot was Timothy McVeigh and I'm pretty sure most Christians thought his action in Oklahoma City to be nothing more than a heinous terrorist attack purported by a Government hater. Not, some morally superior devotee who was going to go to heaven for committing that barbarous act. Also, I may be wrong but, for the life of me I can't seem to remember any Christian Religious leaders applauding his actions. No Parish Priests, no Anglican Ministers no Baptist Deacons, none. As a matter of fact, nobody from the Christian Religion stepped forward and claimed McVeigh had a moral and divine obligation to do what he did.

I may be missing something here but it's pretty apparent that one group is completely devoid of human emotions and redeeming values but, secular while, the other group is comprised of a fun loving bunch of goat fucking, sheep stealing, dog hating, women beating, butt licking, religious zealots who, with the approval of a large portion of their religion and it's leaders want nothing more than to drag humanity back into their warped vision of the dark ages.

So, to compare the two disparate groups is completely disingenuous and nothing more than a strawman to try and deflect the blame for acts like those perpetrated against Charlie Hebdo from where they rightly belong. On the backs of radical Islam and the followers who openly or overtly support it.

What difference does it make what the motivation is? Why is religious motivation something to get all bent out of shape about, but whatever drove this guy to do what he did, well, no big deal? People are just as dead, and in both the US and Canada, far more people get killed by guys like this than the jihadis. Why is it meh for this guy, but let some idiot use religion as his supposed reason for killing and OMG?

The difference is because of people like you equating actions to religion when you have no cause to do so.

$1:

What about them Christians, eh?

Where Jihadists quote scripture before, during and after the killing. They also claim to be doing these killings in the name of their faith. Can you show me where this guy did something similar to justify your above quoted comment?

We (the West) look towards the mass of other Muslims and see that they generally do not denounce let alone hinder these extremists. What we do see is many Muslim countries allowing them training sites, financial support and as in the most recent case instead of support in out struggle against the extreme Muslim we get a warning from Egypt's president to be wary of insulting Muslims.